Old 04-08-2010, 12:34 AM   #1
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Here's a shot I took this evening, that I've been planning for quite a while. The setting sun illuminates this one small stretch of track in the late evening, and today, Amtrak graced the scene for me. Now of course I love it, but I need the truth from the group.

1. - Does the going away part kill it?
2. - Does the framing work? (code lines, train placement, etc)
3. - Is this interesting enough to warrant uploading?
4. - What would you change to improve your liking of the shot?

I have about 20 frames to choose from, so fiddling isn't a problem.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:24 AM   #2
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1. a little for me
2. yes
3. yes
4. maybe have the rear car not quite as far forward
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Old 04-08-2010, 01:40 AM   #3
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Thank you sir!

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Old 04-08-2010, 01:53 AM   #4
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Yes, it's fine. Whether or not they will accept it here is beside the point... they dont seem to like going away pictures here much, so who knows if they will accept it. This is likely one of those "depends on the screener" situations.

No, Yes, Yes, maybe a little more room on the left.

It also needs a hot chick, a fake moon and some horse crap to make it a real world beater
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:09 AM   #5
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I'd say for the shot to work, you'd need to cut down a few of those weeds.

I wonder if it would work better if you moved to the left more and zoomed in more?
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:27 AM   #6
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I wouldn't worry about whether they accepted it to RP or not, because that's a pretty unpredictable outcome. That said, I think the shot rocks! I could see this one as a double page spread in Trains, R&R or Railroads Illustrated.

RP frequently stumbles with these more abstract images. Granted, many folks will not like this kind of shot, but what do they know? You could upload it to see if they accept it. If not, don't worry about it. Get a 16X20 printed, have it framed, and hang it on the wall----and give yourself kudos for another great image of Appalachian railroading.
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Old 04-08-2010, 02:49 AM   #7
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Ron summed it up quite well. I too love the shot and agree that it might be too artistic for RP. If I offered the smallest of suggestions, it might be to bump up the contrast just a hair. But that's just a subjective opinion from someone who is horrible at digital processing. Take it for what it's worth. (Not much!)

Nice job!
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Loyd,

Nice image! I like the evening glint, but the only thing I recommend is waiting for the train to get just a bit more to the right of the frame. Personally, as it stands now, I find the image to be a bit dull on the right side.

Other then that, I think you got a winner!

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Old 04-08-2010, 03:18 AM   #9
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What can I say, I love the code lines. They'll be gone soon enough, and I'll hate myself for not including them in more shots. Thanks to all who've given input so far. I did some minor adjustments to the shot, and threw it into the queue. Whatever happens, I'll live

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I really like the glint and the mist in the air.

I agree about the end of the train, is there a shot with more of the train in the sun?
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That is a photograph, Loyd, not a picture of a train. Nice job!
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Not too shabby. I'd do some weeding and reshoot (or clone) though... the weeds distract me.
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Kick down the exposure, increase saturation, slight kick in contrast... Composition is good in my eyes.
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1.) Not at all.
2.) To me, the train is too close to the left side of the frame. This also creates too much non-train space on the right, to my eyes anyway.
3.) I haven't been right too often lately about other's getting or not getting their shots on RP.
4.) $20 would warrant more interest!
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Kick down the exposure, increase saturation, slight kick in contrast... Composition is good in my eyes.
I think you're dead on. Here's what I came up with and placed in the holding area.

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Not too shabby. I'd do some weeding and reshoot (or clone) though... the weeds distract me.
I never noticed the cat-tails until you pointed it out. I'm not one to clone things out, no matter how small. I've waited 2 years to time it right in this spot, I guess if I get lucky again I'll stomp em down

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4.) $20 would warrant more interest!
Monopoly money?

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I'll be the contrarian, oh well.

The main thing that bothers me is the smoke. To me this is a pollution shot. My eye goes as much to the well-lit smoke above the engine as it does to the engine. Part of that is due to the engine and car being rather mundane - I am not anti-passenger car but I think a whale-tail GE and an interesting freight car would catch my eye more. Also, it seems tight on the left, and definitely loose on top - and the latter brings out the smoke, to my eye, and lessens the impact of the train, as well as giving it all a feeling of riding low in the frame.

Not everyone will be a fan of any shot, sorry.
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I never noticed the cat-tails until you pointed it out. I'm not one to clone things out, no matter how small. I've waited 2 years to time it right in this spot, I guess if I get lucky again I'll stomp em down
The first thing I do when I assess a photo location is to make sure there isn't an ounce of chlorophyll between my glass and the head of the rail, so naturally a pointless detail like that is the first thing I noticed.

To me the vegetation is no different than dust spots on the sensor - distractions that shouldn't be there, and would have been stomped down had there been enough time, and had it not been an issue of trespassing.

That said, it's still your shot, do (or don't do) with it as you please; it's excellent either way (but would be better with that clone action )
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The cattails don't bother me on this one. They add to it I think. If this was a full some shot they would kill it but the silhouttes add to it. Not a fan of the revision from my work monitor though. Looks a tad underexposed maybe.
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Glad to see an artistic shot like this made it in!
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It was accepted, cat-tails and all!

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Thanks again to everyone who gave their input regarding the shot!

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I'm a little late, but here's my two comments.
First, the codeline doesn't matter in the photo, I practically had to look for it.
Second, I agree about there being too much space on the right and how to fix that.
Otherwise, good shot.
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