Old 08-06-2010, 12:50 PM   #1
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Shot the above at one of the locks on the Mohawk River in upstate New York. I wanted to frame the train with the lock infrastructure, rather than just fire a broadside across the river.

So - does the idea not work, or is this just poor execution on my part?
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:59 PM   #2
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All I see at this time is AMTRAK is centered, Fix that and try it.
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A bit too square. I cropped this quickly in my picture viewer program, so I'm not sure of the crop ratio, but you should try to go with 2:3. Try something like this:
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Old 08-06-2010, 05:06 PM   #4
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Yup - the train is smack dab in the center.

Rule of thirds is more of a guide and not a stead fast rule.
Works for me. I like it. All the elements of the image seem
to fit together very well. I'd appeal and hope they can make
an acception but you may be coerced to crop differently if
the appeal does not get accepted as-is.

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Old 08-06-2010, 05:31 PM   #5
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That building on the left really does not add anything to the scene IMHO
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That building on the left really does not add anything to the scene IMHO
I disagree. The building provides a bright counterpoint to the distant dark trees and prevents the train from being cut off by the edge of the frame. Also, it incorporates an extremely important element which every photo should have: A clear indication of location, in this case the 10 which tells the viewer at exactly which lock this photo was captured.

I'm with Mitch; I like the shot because all the pieces come together, from the river to the lock to the transport mode which siphoned away most of the canal's traffic. Also, having shot Lock 10 numerous times myself, I applaud you, Paolo, for finding a different angle that incorporates the site's infrastructure instead of simply its pretty view.
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The trains centralized location in this photo works. IMHO there is nothing wrong with this photo's cropping or framing.

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I don't have a problem with your crop, but I do like Jim's attachment a little better for the fact that his got rid of some of the dark/water stained foreground.
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I like Jim's cropping better. Since it was dinged only for Bad Cropping, theoretically it should get in now. But there's something about the shot that bugs me. I can't put my finger on it. It might be the placement of the train, although the big tree on the side of the tracks made you put it there. It may be the train itself. There's not much asthetically to look at with those Amtrak engines, though I don't guess that alone should keep the shot out of the database. I can't tell if it's the lighting or the processing, but something just seems off. I guess in that way, I'm more inclined to agree with Troy.

Though, again, it was dinged only for Bad Cropping so it should get in now.
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But there's something about the shot that bugs me. I can't put my finger on it. It might be the placement of the train, although the big tree on the side of the tracks made you put it there.
Think you got it Joe. The tree is what's not working for the shot.
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Think you got it Joe. The tree is what's not working for the shot.
You've got an image with a structure, a bridge with girders and piers, a canal, railings and signage, a train, and a hillside, and a tree occupying 1% of the image and blending in with respect to color, that is a problem, that throws off the shot?

I can understand if there is an orange utility marker in the middle of a nondescript green foreground, that can be jarring, but there is a tree in this image that throws it off? I don't get it.
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Everything is pretty well lit except the train?

That's where I am with the shot

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but there is a tree in this image that throws it off? I don't get it.
He had to shoot the train where its at in the photo, I think if the front of the P42 was further to the right the photo would work as framed.

Looks like it is in, I liked it the way he shot it.
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