Old 12-04-2013, 04:23 PM   #1
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb Rail Pictures - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

For shits and giggles last night I did something I rarely do, I uploaded my full quota of five images in one fell swoop.

Of the five, one was accepted and sadly (but not unexpectedly) it is the image I like the least and have the least feeling for as a photographer.


The Ugly:

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 460981
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography


As of the posting of this thread it has 126 views and no comments or favors.

The reason I am ambivalent about this shot is because it is just a plane wedgie in so so light, nothing special.

It doesn't tell a story, doesn't document a special move, or special train, doesn't show an interesting background or is the result of the inter play of some unique light.

This is just an example of the same old, same old cookie cutter image that is found on RP and were I suitably motivated, I could go out and shoot these every weekend and fill my RP account with 1000's of such images.

And to what end?

The only reason I took it was because I don't have a shot at this spot from this angle.


* * * * *

Here are the others that I uploaded with the reasons for the rejections.

Horizon unlevel - and it is with respect to the front of the engine. That is easily fixable.


Four Past Pilgrim Hill by El Roco Photography, on Flickr


Cropping - I don't know why they didn't just PEQ this. When I worked it up I tried number of closer crops but they didn't show the sky and the hill side which was the point on this image (the contrast between the sky, engine and chaparral).


Looking into the Light by El Roco Photography, on Flickr


Composition & Balance - Probably has too much sky for RP. I was trying for a larger view of the background which is why the "scene" is larger than the cookie cutter.

Name:  RP 1.jpg
Views: 417
Size:  28.0 KB



Cropping & Underexposed - Probably too much sky and space on the left. As before, I was looking more into the background.

Name:  30 30 600.jpg
Views: 405
Size:  305.9 KB

Last edited by Holloran Grade; 12-04-2013 at 09:08 PM.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #2
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb Round 2 of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

So after round two, we have this one accepted as well.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 461025
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography


And this one rejected for bad cropping again.

I suspect they don't like the fact that 3/4 of the frame is in a shadow - not the usual fully lit wedgie.


Meet at Martinez by El Roco Photography, on Flickr
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 08:00 PM   #3
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

The shot of 5508...how dark was the side of the loco? Looks like you went overboard with the shadow tool in PS and as a result, it's VERY noisy. I don't understand what you were trying to do here other than attempting a quick grab shot of a cut off loco.
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 08:59 PM   #4
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
The shot of 5508...how dark was the side of the loco? Looks like you went overboard with the shadow tool in PS and as a result, it's VERY noisy. I don't understand what you were trying to do here other than attempting a quick grab shot of a cut off loco.
Yes, it was the result of something else and no I did not plan it, however, after screwing around with it for a while, I liked the look of the sky and the hill.

But the wheels are cut off and that is a fatal flaw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
The shot of 5508...how dark was the side of the loco?
Very dark, clearly crap.

Name:  5508.JPG
Views: 414
Size:  236.5 KB


However, I saw something in it that caused me to play around with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
..Looks like you went overboard with the shadow tool in PS and as a result, it's VERY noisy.
Yes, I did, and I didn't hide it as I could have - It was really intended for the "Instagram" audience rather than the RR purist.

I have seen some really out of the box things on Instagram that I thought were really cool, so I decided to not limit myself to the walls of a RP world.


Sometimes things come out of otherwise botched shots.

Such as:

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 431923
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography




Another example is this one:

RP would not take it, however BNSF contacted me and used it.


M.P. 674.3 - East Siberia by El Roco Photography, on Flickr

Last edited by Holloran Grade; 12-04-2013 at 09:23 PM.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:21 PM   #5
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

Now THAT is a great shot. Some day I'll make it out to the desert.
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:24 PM   #6
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
Now THAT is a great shot. Some day I'll make it out to the desert.
Here is how it started.

Name:  RP 16.jpg
Views: 457
Size:  207.9 KB

This is what started me on a different way of post processing and I have started adjusting my settings on site with this method in mind.

Last edited by Holloran Grade; 12-04-2013 at 09:33 PM.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:31 PM   #7
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,044
Default

Tidmouth Shed? As my uncle used to say to me, "You are a character."
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:34 PM   #8
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
Tidmouth Shed? As my uncle used to say to me, "You are a character."
A nice way of saying "you're nuts!"
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:46 PM   #9
magicman_841
Senior Member
 
magicman_841's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 1,023
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
Here is how it started.

Attachment 8329

This is what started me on a different way of post processing and I have started adjusting my settings on site with this method in mind.
Love this spot. Many different angles, including this one, which shows the openness of the desert very nicely.
__________________
Mathieu Tremblay
Choo photos
magicman_841 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:49 PM   #10
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
A nice way of saying "you're nuts!"
Absolutely not. One has connations of entertainment, is endearing, and indicates a friendly outlook on eccentricities. The other is a given..

Last edited by Freericks; 12-04-2013 at 09:54 PM.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2013, 09:51 PM   #11
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb Ludlow Images

Quote:
Originally Posted by magicman_841 View Post
Love this spot. Many different angles, including this one, which shows the openness of the desert very nicely.
A short time later.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 431505
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography



Looking the otherway:

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 422856
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography



I like this spot.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 430618
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 01:03 AM   #12
Dennis A. Livesey
Senior Member
 
Dennis A. Livesey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,950
Default

El Roco Loco

I very much enjoyed my 30 minutes in Ludlow last March.

Warren B. was very accommodating in sending 4-5 trains for me to see.

I was on the cinder hill north of the track.
__________________
Dennis

I Foam Therefore I Am.

My pix on RailPics:

I am on Flickr as well:

"Dennis is such a God, he could do that with a camera obscura and some homemade acetate." Holloran Grade

"To me it looks drawn in in Paintshop. It looks like a puddle of orange on the sky." SFO777
Dennis A. Livesey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 04:20 AM   #13
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb Round Three (3)

After having this one rejected three different times for an un-level horizon, now it is apparently over sharpened.


Four Past Pilgrim Hill by El Roco Photography, on Flickr

And this one was dinged for bad color, or lack of color.

Name:  RP 20.jpg
Views: 378
Size:  389.9 KB
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 10:24 AM   #14
jdirelan87
Senior Member
 
jdirelan87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Metro DC
Posts: 725
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
Here is how it started.

Attachment 8329

This is what started me on a different way of post processing and I have started adjusting my settings on site with this method in mind.
This is a classic example of an upload I just don't understand. About a gallizon trains pass this spot every day and you're clearly regularly out there, yet you choose to upload this one in super garbage light. In fact, you've even uploaded a couple from the same location when in good and/or interesting light. To each there own I suppose, but given the circumstances, I wouldn't have even lifted the camera off my chest for this one.
jdirelan87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 02:13 PM   #15
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

^^ I didn't upload that, I cooked it first.

I agree, I see no reason to upload the dark version.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 02:36 PM   #16
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
Here is how it started.

Attachment 8329

This is what started me on a different way of post processing and I have started adjusting my settings on site with this method in mind.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
A short time later.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 431505
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography
By the way, one of these is grossly unlevel. How you can shoot the same exact scene twice and have two completely level/unlevel photos is baffling.

JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 03:01 PM   #17
Hatchetman
Part-Time Railfan
 
Hatchetman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,381
Default

Roco - You have a legitimate beef. After all those oversharpened shots of yours they have accepted, why not that one?


I kid. You know I love you.
__________________
Now with Flickr!
Hatchetman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 06:14 PM   #18
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatchetman View Post
.....After all those oversharpened shots of yours they have accepted, why not that one?
I only sharpen until they accept it.

If they are over sharp, blame "them."


Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
By the way, one of these is grossly unlevel. How you can shoot the same exact scene twice and have two completely level/unlevel photos is baffling.

I'm happy with them, which one do you say is off and why?

Last edited by Holloran Grade; 12-05-2013 at 06:18 PM.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #19
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
I'm happy with them, which one do you say is off and why?
You tell me, I've never been there to see which way that horizon is leaning. But compare your two images; there is quite a difference in how they are leveled.
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 08:53 PM   #20
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
You tell me, I've never been there to see which way that horizon is leaning. But compare your two images; there is quite a difference in how they are leveled.

Yes there is.

The dawn shot is lined up and the vertical expansion crack on the bridge and the other is lined up using the poles in the background to the right.

The mountains on the right are higher than that ones on the left and the desert slopes (horizon) from right to left


Well, I finally got this leveled after four rejections and it doesn't look anything like how I remember it looking on Saturday.

The train is going down hill so the right side is quite a bit higher than it is in this version.

Oh well, whatever the editor wants.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 461133
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography



This one got in on the first pass - another wedgie, but it is redeemed by the rocks.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
PhotoID: 461129
Photograph © EL ROCO Photography
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 10:40 PM   #21
troy12n
Senior Member
 
troy12n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,263
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
Now THAT is a great shot. Some day I'll make it out to the desert.
a few suggestions:

1. do it during the winter or what little bit of fall/spring they have, screw railfanning when it's 10,000 degrees outside
2. bring two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
3. sunscreen

If you are going alone, or DEEP into the desert bring:
4. a satellite phone
5. a few gallons of water and a couple cans of soup
6. a 5 gal jug of gas
7. a flare gun
8. a real gun (unless you go to commiefornia which dont allow guns)
__________________
My RP.net photos
troy12n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2013, 11:21 PM   #22
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
Yes there is.

The dawn shot is lined up and the vertical expansion crack on the bridge and the other is lined up using the poles in the background to the right.

The mountains on the right are higher than that ones on the left and the desert slopes (horizon) from right to left
Ok, so the dawn shot is horrifically unlevel. How could not notice how awful it was compared to the sunny level shot?
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 07:27 AM   #23
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
Ok, so the dawn shot is horrifically unlevel. How could not notice how awful it was compared to the sunny level shot?
By looking at the forest and not the trees.

I don't think it is unlevel, the optics are changing the focal plane slightly with regard to objects in the distance.

Look at the up rights in the foreground.

Last edited by Holloran Grade; 12-06-2013 at 07:34 AM.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 12:48 PM   #24
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,674
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holloran Grade View Post
By looking at the forest and not the trees.

I don't think it is unlevel, the optics are changing the focal plane slightly with regard to objects in the distance.

Look at the up rights in the foreground.
The foreground is irrelevant in this case. You're arguing that a horizon line many miles away should look different based on the foreground. What if that horizon line was an ocean? You gonna let it be that unlevel as well?

Come on, man, this is horrible:

Name:  roco1.jpg
Views: 265
Size:  118.4 KB

Level the background first and if stuff in the foreground looks unlevel, use distortion control.
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 02:38 PM   #25
Holloran Grade
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: In the California Republic
Posts: 2,774
Lightbulb

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
use distortion control.
Yup, you're right, should have pulled the left side out.

I will keep an eye on that in the future.
Holloran Grade is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.