Old 05-09-2012, 03:05 PM   #1
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C'mon guys! Don't you see it! Grasses obstructing the wheels? Flood the forum! This isn't RIGHT!!!!!!

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At the risk of arousing the xenophobes, as a Brit, I find these NS Heritage unit roster shots incredibly boring. I don't understand how they get so many views.

I know that it is probably an unusual sight in the USA, but unusual occurrences outside N. America have to be better than this to get accepted as a rule - Bad cropping (centred loco) etc. comes to mind!

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Old 05-09-2012, 04:33 PM   #4
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At the risk of arousing the xenophobes, as a Brit, I find these NS Heritage unit roster shots incredibly boring. I don't understand how they get so many views.

I know that it is probably an unusual sight in the USA, but unusual occurrences outside N. America have to be better than this to get accepted as a rule - Bad cropping (centred loco) etc. comes to mind!
Well, it is a roster shot. Roster shots are sort of a separate genre, and one does see them on RP, although not that often. But for a roster shot, I think (others, chime in!) the engine should be centered. Because the point isn't to introduce any interesting compositional elements or juxtapositions, it is simply to present the engine as nicely as possible. An off-center roster shot just looks weird, in my book.

I too think they are boring. But the point of the shot is not creative photography, it is conveyance of information; what does the thing look like? So well lit, no distracting poles, etc., that is how it goes. The wedgies and scenics do get there eventually.
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:37 PM   #5
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I thought these EMD units were going to be delayed a month or so.

Also, since Casey wouldn't be trespassing, why didn't he (or someone else from NS) wack those weeds down before taking this shot? I find that absolutely baffling.
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With over 3100 views so far today and climbing fast, the photo (weeds and all) is doing what it's intended to do---get views and create foam.

Those foreground clutter rejections are for us mere mortals.
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I too think they are boring. But the point of the shot is not creative photography, it is conveyance of information; what does the thing look like? So well lit, no distracting poles, etc., that is how it goes. The wedgies and scenics do get there eventually.
When I look at these roll-out shots, I see them not as rosters, but "builders photos", similar to what was traditionally done with steam engines back in another time. I'm sure that railroad enthusiasts found those boring back in the day, but they are extremely interesting to people like me today. Documentation shots of common machines are of greatest value to future generations, not the present one. I'm sure that's why many folks are ho-humming on these "builders photos". You've all seen a TON of these machines before.

Personally, I think the best shots of the NS Heritage Locomotives are ones that show the engines in action, with some non-railroad scenery surrounding them. I also prefer the ones that have just a singular locomotive with a consist behind it. As common as it might be, seeing a brightly colored engine leading a string of jet black NS diesels just looks odd. It's a bit like seeing a regular, gray, squadron F/A-18 flying right-wing in the Blue Angel diamond....it's just not pleasing to the (my) eye at all.

I do like some of the paint schemes. It is kind of funny how everyone is in a "heightened state of excitement" when they see a Tuscan Red diesel in PRR markings, yet they have a flippin' stroke when someone paints a steam engine blue.

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Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that nose logo never appeared on a diesel, so how is THAT heritage, I ask?

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On the other hand compare it to UP's heritage units lol.
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I do like some of the paint schemes. It is kind of funny how everyone is in a "heightened state of excitement" when they see a Tuscan Red diesel in PRR markings, yet they have a flippin' stroke when someone paints a steam engine blue.

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I have a friend (who among other things used to work for Jerry Jacobsen on the Ohio Central) who insists that real steam engines are painted black - though he will make an excepetion for dark green locomotive enamel. Of course, he also thinks the coolest steam engines are the ones with three cylinders on one side that power a geared drivetrain and can't go faster than a person can run. What does he know? Personally, I'm not the fondest of the shade of blue Andy chose for the 425, but that didn't keep me from riding behind her or shooting her.
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Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that nose logo never appeared on a diesel, so how is THAT heritage, I ask?

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Either way - look at the new(est) Kansas City Southern Belles - who's to say that any livery would not have actually been "the next" scheme?

And, maybe the PRR just may have elected to go with their fancy Tuscan red passenger livery on a freight engine.

Hey - maybe they were just ecstatic to finally have a place on a nose to put a logo, now that the EMD's are out without that empty headlight socket.




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When I look at these roll-out shots, I see them not as rosters, but "builders photos", similar to what was traditionally done with steam engines back in another time.
Most builders photos I have seen are near, if not absolutely perfect. 3/4 wedges where you can see vividly both the full nose and side without the slightest obstruction neither foreground nor background. Most I had seen almost appeared as if they were "Photoshopped" to remove the backgrounds, though not all.





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Personally, I think the best shots of the NS Heritage Locomotives are ones that show the engines in action, with some non-railroad scenery surrounding them. I also prefer the ones that have just a singular locomotive with a consist behind it. As common as it might be, seeing a brightly colored engine leading a string of jet black NS diesels just looks odd. It's a bit like seeing a regular, gray, squadron F/A-18 flying right-wing in the Blue Angel diamond....it's just not pleasing to the (my) eye at all.
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At the risk of arousing the xenophobes, as a Brit, I find these NS Heritage unit roster shots incredibly boring. I don't understand how they get so many views.

I know that it is probably an unusual sight in the USA, but unusual occurrences outside N. America have to be better than this to get accepted as a rule - Bad cropping (centred loco) etc. comes to mind!
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At the risk of arousing the xenophobes, as a Brit, I find these NS Heritage unit roster shots incredibly boring. I don't understand how they get so many views.

I know that it is probably an unusual sight in the USA, but unusual occurrences outside N. America have to be better than this to get accepted as a rule - Bad cropping (centred loco) etc. comes to mind!
It's quite simple actually - it's news. And more so - highly anticipated news. I think the problem with "unusual occurrences" outside N. America is that most of viewing audience nor the RP screeners would even know it's unusual. Ie; Finding a blue colored Good and Plenty would be an unusual occurrence for us here but a blue JG Liquorice Torpedoes, while unusual to you doesn't even register here in the US, lol.

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I have a friend (who among other things used to work for Jerry Jacobsen on the Ohio Central) who insists that real steam engines are painted black - though he will make an excepetion for dark green locomotive enamel.
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It's quite simple actually - it's news. And more so - highly anticipated news. I think the problem with "unusual occurrences" outside N. America is that most of viewing audience nor the RP screeners would even know it's unusual. Ie; Finding a blue colored Good and Plenty would be an unusual occurrence for us here but a blue JG Liquorice Torpedoes, while unusual to you doesn't even register here in the US, lol.

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Did the S&A ever even own a diesel?

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Yes, they had a fleet of Baldwins before the Southern bought them, photos of them are very rare, color ones nonexistant on the web. Apparently they were green and yellow. I wonder if part of the reason for not painting them in this scheme is that no good reference photos exist.
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I do like some of the paint schemes. It is kind of funny how everyone is in a "heightened state of excitement" when they see a Tuscan Red diesel in PRR markings, yet they have a flippin' stroke when someone paints a steam engine blue.

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Refreshed and reloaded several times. What's that all about?
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I saw that for a few minutes also but it has now stopped.
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At the risk of arousing the xenophobes, as a Brit, I find these NS Heritage unit roster shots incredibly boring. I don't understand how they get so many views.

I know that it is probably an unusual sight in the USA, but unusual occurrences outside N. America have to be better than this to get accepted as a rule - Bad cropping (centred loco) etc. comes to mind!
Hey, American guys! This is just a bit of dry Brit wit. (See the lil' red twisted smilie?)

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I have a friend who insists that real steam engines are painted black - though he will make an excepetion for dark green locomotive enamel.
I don't suppose he'd like these then:
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The overwhelming preference in UK was the red.
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It's quite simple actually - it's news. And more so - highly anticipated news. I think the problem with "unusual occurrences" outside N. America is that most of viewing audience nor the RP screeners would even know it's unusual.
I understand this, but even when us non-Americans put a note to the screeners that a particular shot is news or unusual, it still has to meet all the usual criteria and a roster shot like the NS one in question would struggle to make it.
Non-American news simply appears to do nothing for the screeners, as American news usually does little for the rest of us.

Don't forget, RP has an awful lot of viewers outside North America. There are many thousands in Europe, Asia and Australasia. I have been approached by many sources from countries in Europe and Asia for use of my photos that they have seen on the site.

Don't get me wrong, USA newsworthy shots should be included as long as they are good photos and the rules are not relaxed because they are news. However, if relaxing the rules a little is the procedure for news shots, then let the same criteria be applied to photos from other countries please.

On this type of photo, I just don't think the rest of the world gets a fair crack of the whip. How about giving more consideration of the thousands of followers of RP that are not from N.America?
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Don't get me wrong, USA newsworthy shots should be included as long as they are good photos and the rules are not relaxed because they are news. However, if relaxing the rules a little is the procedure for news shots, then let the same criteria be applied to photos from other countries please.

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