Old 01-21-2010, 03:23 AM   #1
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Im out of ideas, 4 times is too much. There are no true verticals in the whole picture to accurately level by. Ive tried leveling by the end of the unit but that still doesnt help, would it help to point out in the comments to screeners that the stop sign is in no way level.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:30 AM   #2
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With the lens distortion you will need to find a vertical in the center of your photo. Looking at the center you will need to do quite a bit of CCW rotation. The other option would be to fix the lens distortion in Photo Shop. Hope that helps.

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Give it some CCW. You're leveling it the wrong way, as it is considerably leaning to the right.

Looks a wee bit overexposed, too.

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Old 01-21-2010, 07:37 AM   #4
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The posts on the railroad track near the center of the photograph should be vertical. You need at least a degree rotation to the left. WHat does the sign on the bridge facing automobile traffic say?

I agree with Chase about the exposure. The sky looks just a tad blown out.
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WHat does the sign on the bridge facing automobile traffic say?
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Next time I'll actually read the caption.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:20 PM   #8
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Quick one for me, I think this is fairly level, what direction should I go and approx how much? I can usually line these up, but this one is kinda tough, I dont have any vertical references except the nose of the locomotive which I squared up against

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Old 01-21-2010, 11:27 PM   #9
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lol, yes typo's are always fun.

Tried levelling it according to the cab of the engine and the first hopper, made a note still rejected. Also fixed the overexposure. At this point ill just hold off till later i guess, no use wasting both slots and getting rejected.
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It's a shame you can't get that on. I like it and it would make an interesting addition to the database. I think the pole to the right of the engine is making the shot look unlevel, but maybe I'm wrong.

As for Troy's shot, it needs a little CW rotation. The nose of the locomotive is definitely not level.
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As for Troy's shot, it needs a little CW rotation. The nose of the locomotive is definitely not level.
Thanks, what are you using for reference, I was using the pilot and if I do more CW rotation, its more unlevel
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I used the pilot and the nose and they are just a tad unlevel. Rotate just a small bit until the pilot and nose are vertical with the page. You might want to try the pilot on the second unit as well.
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The key to success in leveling wide angle lens shots is finding a vertical or horizontal in the middle of the image and leveling that.

Thus the call to level off the cab end or the hopper was right on. (If I may use a colloquialism from the 60's)

Wide angles distort the image at the edges and trying to level from there will cause you to chase your tail.
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lol, yes typo's are always fun.

Tried levelling it according to the cab of the engine and the first hopper, made a note still rejected. Also fixed the overexposure. At this point ill just hold off till later i guess, no use wasting both slots and getting rejected.
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If you can, maybe try something like this. Put your photo on a grid and push things around till they're straight.

Even with the lens distortion, your photo looked like it needed one more degree of CCW rotation according to the grid I put it on.

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Troy, CW is not the way to go. It needs CCW.
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Im out of ideas, 4 times is too much. There are no true verticals in the whole picture to accurately level by. Ive tried leveling by the end of the unit but that still doesnt help, would it help to point out in the comments to screeners that the stop sign is in no way level.
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Troy, CW is not the way to go. It needs CCW.

Yea, I got it in... thanks. CW seemed kinda looney.

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Well the thing is im pretty sure the stopsign is not level so im not sure that would be accurate to level by that. I guess though if i have to i will....
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Why not level by the verticals on the ground near the hopper? They're in the center of the picture and appear level ot my eye.
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My take, similar to John's approach, except I also do a rotation, -1.8 (so CCW) and 108.3% on perspective adjustment, wider at the top. In general I find that often I do a perspective adjustment and the verticals in the middle go off, so I adjust, then I have to further adjust perspective, ... Above parameters as applied in PS Elements 3; I don't recognize the parameter's in John's (PS CS?). Left uncropped for clarity as to what I did.
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I think J's is to far CW.
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I think J's is to far CW.
It would be helpful to say why, for example, to identify lines that should be vertical that are not. And given that I made it CCW by almost 2 degrees, to do it even more because you see it as still too far CW does require some justification.
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Has anyone noticed that the shadows underneath the loco and cars are glowing?
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