Old 01-29-2008, 08:53 PM   #1
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I'm not one to complain nor do I ever like to call out other photographers (this thread is a knock on the screeners), but how in the world did this shot make into the database?

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There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that makes this a train related picture. Bad job, bad job.

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Old 01-29-2008, 08:57 PM   #2
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I don't quite see the reasoning behind accepting that shot either... it's a nice photo, to be sure, but I agree that it doesn't quite fit... whatever.
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I am just as confused. The caption says its from the train, but I can't tell that the left part is actually one.
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Maybe repost in the Site-Related forum, maybe it is more likely admin will see this? I know they look over the forums generally but I don't know if they check every thread that is not in that particular forum.
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I'm not one to complain nor do I ever like to call out other photographers (this thread is a knock on the screeners), but how in the world did this shot make into the database?

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There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that makes this a train related picture. Bad job, bad job.


Must be a joke. Mr. Starnes, please tell us so.
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It's not level, either. Look at the distant horizon.

I'm sure the experts will disagree with me, but another favorite of mine is the recent photo taken from the locomotive cab looking straight down from a bridge. Bad angle and/or bad motive anyone? Anyone?
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I'm sure the experts will disagree with me, but another favorite of mine is the recent photo taken from the locomotive cab looking straight down from a bridge. Bad angle and/or bad motive anyone? Anyone?
That's a nifty shot!
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It would be nice if the photographer would request himself to have it taken down....
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That's a nifty shot!
Meh. Not impressed. Anyone stopped on a bridge can do that.

Just because it's the first shot like it here doesn't mean it's the best on the net. Wait until an influx of copycats start getting uploaded. You'll be tired of that angle after the third variation.
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Meh. Not impressed. Anyone stopped on a bridge can do that.

Just because it's the first shot like it here doesn't mean it's the best on the net. Wait until an influx of copycats start getting uploaded. You'll be tired of that angle after the third variation.
I find your follow-up irrelevant. Yes, anyone stopped on a bridge can do that. Yes, it's the first. I said it is "nifty," not "outstanding" or "incredible." Yes, there will be more. As for being tired of a certain angle, heck, what about wedgies!?

It is still a good angle, not a bad one. It still has good motive, not bad. It still well illustrates height.
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So people can look at the picture again, or if they missed it:
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I think it is nicely framed, with interesting horizontal detail on the land to complement the vertical detail of the trestle and cab side.
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I think it is nicely framed, with interesting horizontal detail on the land to complement the vertical detail of the trestle and cab side.
I actually did miss it somehow. Man, that's awesome. I really like it.


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at first i thought this was another one of those "beautiful mountain scenery photos where you have to use a magnifying glass to actually see the train in the picture."
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There is ABSOLUTELY nothing that makes this a train related picture. Bad job, bad job.
Well, this is in fact a railway, and is regulated as such by the FRA. The engineers have to be fully certified card-carrying engineers as issued by the FRA.

I however, understand the general sentiment here, that it's hard to really appreciate anything about this photo as a railfan. But to say that it's not train related, is a tad presumptious, it's taken from the train itself.

The technical aspects of the photo (unlevel) are a bit questionable of course, but the photographer was careful to include a piece of the railcar in the photo.

Do I like the photo? I don't hate it, but it doesn't really do anything for me either. Other than being unlevel, and even that is questionable given the grade on the MWCR, I see no reason to keep it out of the database.
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Well, this is in fact a railway, and is regulated as such by the FRA. ... But to say that it's not train related, is a tad presumptious, it's taken from the train itself. ... Other than being unlevel, and even that is questionable given the grade on the MWCR, I see no reason to keep it out of the database.
Obviously the question is, how much RR does a picture need to have in it to qualify for RP? Just being "train related" is not enough - I wouldn't want a picture of the toilet from inside a tower to make the database. So there has to be more, it has to be a picture that says, to some extent, "railroad."

So, pencil on a desk, no, telegraph key on a desk, maybe, probably yes, but I'd at least want to see some evidence that it is a shot from a tower or some such. (What other industries used telegraph systems?) Telephone on a desk, no, telephone in use by a dispatcher, maybe, depends on whether one can tell it's not just an office shot.

It's a matter of taste, but "view from a train" does not do that, it's still just a landscape shot (even if much more interesting than the one in question) and is not what I want to see here. And adding a sliver of the train itself to the side of the picture does not do it for me either. Now, what about this one?
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This one says "train in a scene," the one under discussion does not. I think the difference is clear.
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But what do you think of this?
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I think it is more clear that this is a train, even if the shot were somewhere other than RP. So I think it falls on the right side of the line.

BTW, it is a nice piece of work, pushing toward abstraction, very creative. I'm glad it's here and I would like to see more.
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On behalf of the poster and screener I would say it fits into the scheme of things on RP. It may not be "the best railroad pic on the 'Net" but most of the wedges are not either. SO, what is the other value RP provides that is often not bragged about by it's contributors? It's a railroader's reference database.

That photo simply says, IMHO; Here's a view you might expect should you visit this railroad - in the same manner as photos depicting a museum, a station or a scenic vista.

Before I visit a location, I'll typically browse RP to see what to expect - the museum, the scenery, the veiws, the equipment.

As far as taking it off - does a 2" square thumb which only shows up on Wednesday, Jan 30th, really distract anyone that much?

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As far as taking it off - does a 2" square thumb which only shows up on Wednesday, Jan 30th, really distract anyone that much?

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C'mon, Mitch. Sure, it is just one shot, but I think the implicit question is whether such shots are going to be part of RP fare.
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As far as taking it off - does a 2" square thumb which only shows up on Wednesday, Jan 30th, really distract anyone that much?

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It's a matter of taste, but "view from a train" does not do that, it's still just a landscape shot...
And a very nice one, too.
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Maybe we should concentrate on bettering ourselves, instead of knocking down others.

Really, honestly. Let all get over ourselves. Is this whats next? Instead of threads about what should be on the site we get threads about what shouldn't be on the site?
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Maybe we should concentrate on bettering ourselves, instead of knocking down others.
Are you suggesting that the intent of this thread was to knock down the screener who accepted this picture? The screeners are human...they DO make mistakes like the rest of us, ya know. Sometimes they just have to be reminded.
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Instead of threads about what should be on the site we get threads about what shouldn't be on the site?
Please explain the difference, in terms of any measure of morality or appropriate social behavior, or something, between the two.

Also, please note post #17 where I specifically refer to "what should be" or at least what I would like to be on the site. There isn't that big a distinction between should and shouldn't, in my view; they can be flip sides of the same coin.
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I don't think anyone is knocking down the photographer. As you can see in my edit above, after a 7 degree CCW rotation and a crop, it's a wonderful landscape photograph.
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