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Old 07-15-2016, 12:18 PM   #26
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Well in the last three days I have had three rejections and they pretty well sum up Rene's argument I think.
The first was a 48 year old shot which I have always liked, the loco is out of focus, but intentionally, as I was concentrating on the board which was soon to be demolished.
The second is loose ,but us Brits like to have something to look at as well as the train as it has been pointed out. The third is a cloudy day but I think that it has something going for it, namely the bridge. It is difficult to wait for a sunny day when all you have is a week to drive around Lake Michigan and then get back to Canada so I did the best I could. That of course does not come into the screeners calculations. I have sympathy for the cause but having lived with it for several years now, you just have to shrug and get back to the gardening.
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Well in the last three days I have had three rejections and they pretty well sum up Rene's argument I think.
The first was a 48 year old shot which I have always liked, the loco is out of focus, but intentionally, as I was concentrating on the board which was soon to be demolished.
The second is loose ,but us Brits like to have something to look at as well as the train as it has been pointed out. The third is a cloudy day but I think that it has something going for it, namely the bridge. It is difficult to wait for a sunny day when all you have is a week to drive around Lake Michigan and then get back to Canada so I did the best I could. That of course does not come into the screeners calculations. I have sympathy for the cause but having lived with it for several years now, you just have to shrug and get back to the gardening.
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I think the second shot the rejection is legit, you can/should crop off some of the right side of the frame, it's a nice shot other than that, easily fixable

The first one I find interesting, would have accepted it

The last one is one of those, "yeah, it's against standards" things. It's cloudy, and a legit rejection, subject matter, to me it's nothing special, im unsure of the location, but if it's one of those places that you could go back tomorrow and shoot the same shot in better light, I would err with rejecting it
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YES, it's a PA
YES, it's a 50 year old shot
YES, it's a MoPAC passenger train, and I imagine its fairly rare on here

BUT HOLY CRAP how out of focus or blurry is the nose of the unit. The MoPAC hearald is unreadable, the numberboard is pretty bad

Wow...
There were a couple of excellent reasons to shoot with the lead engine centered in film days. First, the center is the lens' sweet spot. Second, if you let the train get this close, you got motion blur like this. 1/500 was usually a luxury for me in the east.
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Well in the last three days I have had three rejections and they pretty well sum up Rene's argument I think.
The first was a 48 year old shot which I have always liked, the loco is out of focus, but intentionally, as I was concentrating on the board which was soon to be demolished.
The second is loose ,but us Brits like to have something to look at as well as the train as it has been pointed out. The third is a cloudy day but I think that it has something going for it, namely the bridge. It is difficult to wait for a sunny day when all you have is a week to drive around Lake Michigan and then get back to Canada so I did the best I could. That of course does not come into the screeners calculations. I have sympathy for the cause but having lived with it for several years now, you just have to shrug and get back to the gardening.
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The first one? Maybe Flickrers will like it.
Third? Nice, but needs a bit of enhancement. Were thin clouds over the sun? (Check loco model- that's a six-axle)
The second is stunning! I would hate to crop any of those dramatic clouds off.
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YES, it's a PA
YES, it's a 50 year old shot
YES, it's a MoPAC passenger train, and I imagine its fairly rare on here

BUT HOLY CRAP how out of focus or blurry is the nose of the unit. The MoPAC hearald is unreadable, the numberboard is pretty bad

Wow...
for 50 years old and a PA, I would certainly let it slide, but then I'm not all crazy about no blur and crisp sharpness. Its an old shot, with ISOs at that time things got blurred sometimes.

What I would not let slide is the considerable underexposure. Geesh, you go to the trouble of scanning the slide, presumably you get it in software to crop and resize to RP dimension (1024x, whatever), is it really that hard to adjust the light? You are right there in the right software! Shouldn't the screeners expect/insist upon such an adjustment to be done?
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First one - not excited about it, seems to be flat. I'm not a fan of B/W with little B and W and lots of G. I think the train is insufficiently blurred. But mainly, I'm just not a fan of the composition. Just seems awkward, and forced. Completely a matter of personal taste.

Second one - very nice! I would have rejected for cropping, then (hopefully) have taken the time to type a screener comment saying it needs a bit taken off the left to get rid of that partial tree, and some of that whisp of black smoke in the sky. I'm not happy about the tree lower right corner but am not sure if there is a decent crop to get rid of that. Also, the general midrange tonality is dark and a bit flat for my tastes. Excellent shot, but I do wonder if a bit more time at the computer would bring considerable additional reward.


Third one - no, just dull. Cloudy/common.
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What I would not let slide is the considerable underexposure. Geesh, you go to the trouble of scanning the slide, presumably you get it in software to crop and resize to RP dimension (1024x, whatever), is it really that hard to adjust the light? You are right there in the right software! Shouldn't the screeners expect/insist upon such an adjustment to be done?
Beyond here be dragons.

Artifacts often lurk in an underexposed slide. In this case, brightening makes the magenta clumps in the sky more visible. Some of mine have red pixels sprinkled liberally in the shadows. I understand photoshop can reduce those, however.
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The second is stunning! I would hate to crop any of those dramatic clouds off.
I would have cropped from the right to just the left side of that bunch of trees.

Yeah, you lose some of the clouds, but it's not about the clouds, and that's a lot of dead space in the foreground on the right
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I would have cropped from the right to just the left side of that bunch of trees.

Yeah, you lose some of the clouds, but it's not about the clouds, and that's a lot of dead space in the foreground on the right
Would Ansel Adams crop it? IMO no. But that might get it accepted here.
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Too true. I did crop slightly and changed the shape of the picture. It was accepted. I'll forget about the others and leave them on flickr
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BUT HOLY CRAP how out of focus or blurry is the nose of the unit. The MoPAC hearald is unreadable, the numberboard is pretty bad

Wow...
Apparently you never had the experience of shooting a speeding passenger train on low ISO (possibly 10) film with a 1960's vintage camera that may have had an f3.5 lens.

Fortunately, neither did I, but I do appreciate the limitations of the era.
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Well in the last three days I have had three rejections and they pretty well sum up Rene's argument I think.
The first was a 48 year old shot which I have always liked, the loco is out of focus, but intentionally, as I was concentrating on the board which was soon to be demolished.
The second is loose ,but us Brits like to have something to look at as well as the train as it has been pointed out. The third is a cloudy day but I think that it has something going for it, namely the bridge. It is difficult to wait for a sunny day when all you have is a week to drive around Lake Michigan and then get back to Canada so I did the best I could. That of course does not come into the screeners calculations. I have sympathy for the cause but having lived with it for several years now, you just have to shrug and get back to the gardening.
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I'm glad that second one got in, it is a marvelous image. The first one is a bit too arcane for this place. The third probably should have gotten in but only in the sense that it is better than most here, but I really don't like it all that much: too flat, too tight.
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It is difficult to wait for a sunny day when all you have is a week to drive around Lake Michigan and then get back to Canada so I did the best I could.

That's your mistake--trying to cover too much ground in a short time. Photography is really all about using the light more than it is the subject. One strategy is to linger in a potentially great spot and wait for the conditions to line up with the type of shot you want to make. The other strategy is to learn how to work with different kinds of light to make compelling images.

Next month I'm off to Glacier National Park, and then up to Banff, Athabasca Glacier, Jasper, and Edmonton for a few weeks. (I don't normally photo trains on family trips.) There probably will be some cloudy days around the glaciers, and that's OK. This is another of our "cover some ground" trips rather than a "base camp" trip, so I won't have the luxury of waiting for the light to change. There is a third strategy I didn't mention above: shoot at night. I can't change the light in the daytime, but at night..............I can create it.


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A friend once said the biggest obstacles to good photography are miles, motels and meals....distance, sleep, and eating all get in the way of being there for the perfect light. And the three things that make a great photograph are lighting, lighting and lighting.
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Would Ansel Adams crop it? IMO no. But that might get it accepted here.
Slow down with the Ansel Adams comparisons there chief...
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YES, it's a PA
YES, it's a 50 year old shot
YES, it's a MoPAC passenger train, and I imagine its fairly rare on here

BUT HOLY CRAP how out of focus or blurry is the nose of the unit. The MoPAC hearald is unreadable, the numberboard is pretty bad

Wow...
I'd reject it because PAs are butt-ugly.
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A friend once said the biggest obstacles to good photography are miles, motels and meals....distance, sleep, and eating all get in the way of being there for the perfect light. And the three things that make a great photograph are lighting, lighting and lighting.

My goal was to get out to the specific area where the wheat harvest was going on, and that was in the middle of the state. There was only one train running for most of that time, and the light was pretty uniform over the eastern 2/3 of the state anyway. On the Northern Plains a good strategy is to check the weather satellite radar, and drive to where the light is what you want. A few hundred miles out here is nothing..........


And you made me think of a UK guy on another forum. He has/had a conference in San Jose coming up and wanted to extend his stay so he could go take some photos in iconic places. On his list were Yosemite, Escalante, Grand Canyon, and Tetons. Oh, and Yellowstone! He has eight days. I told him most Europeans really have no concept of distances out here, and if his goal was to buy a hat from the gift shop of each place, he had a reasonably good chance of pulling that off. (But not much more.)


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Hi Noct Foamer, I've been trying to find your photos in the RP Database - searched for Kent and Noct Foamer, but can't find anything. What name do you use or do you have a link for me? Regards - Charles.
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Kent likes mainly to talk about photos, he just doesn't like to share all that much of his results.
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Kent likes mainly to talk about photos, he just doesn't like to share all that much of his results.

I've gone Flickr. You can find several hundred here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/96826069@N00/

With Flickr, the only arbitrary screener I have to fool with is myself.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/968260...posted-public/

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/968260...posted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/968260...posted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/968260...posted-public/

And yes, I love to talk about photography. I shoot a Nikon DSLR, of course, but also large format 4x5, 5x7--generally using lenses made from before the Civil War (my oldest lens is c.1845) or from 1910-1929. I'm very interested in the history of photography and have a book of photos from the first foamer in history (French guy named Baldus, shooting wet plate and Calotype around 1851.) My "niche" is night photography using up to 10,000ws of flash, especially on frigid winter nights in the Dakotas:

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RP would likely reject all of the above, so I just post them on my Flickr and am done.


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There are currently 23 screeners who can rate a picture with a + (positive vote), a - (negative vote) or a 0 (indecisive).
I have already suggested a long time ago to add some non-US screeners so as to balance the "US taste" with non-US taste, and to limit the all-too frequent pro-US selection bias. I have also volunteered for becoming a screener, to no avail...
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I have already suggested a long time ago to add some non-US screeners so as to balance the "US taste" with non-US taste, and to limit the all-too frequent pro-US selection bias. I have also volunteered for becoming a screener, to no avail...

Very little has changed the last few years. We don't even get the pointless "What do you want from RP?" type surveys anymore.
For all we know, this site may be fully automated.
Why does anyone think anything will change here?
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I will play screener for the sake of these links if you'd like and tell you what I see. I will say first that one big argument folks have with RP is what they see as a lack of consistency. That's with five or how many screeners there are now. Add more screeners to that and you get less consistency, I would imagine.

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I love the mountains in this shot, but at ground level, there is a lot of dead space. I'd prefer to see the train move a little to the left of the frame. too, which, I know, isn't going to help with the dead space on the ground. Also, in RP's world, this image is backlit as there is not light full on the nose. That rejection reason is one of my biggest pet peeves about this site.
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Bad composition. A lot of room above the train and the train is centered left to right. Very interesting lighting and my hunch is that with a tight crop, there's a great shot in here waiting to come out and be seen.
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Bad composition. Shot is way too loose and train is centered both top to bottom and left to right. Also backlit in RP's world.
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This one mihgt be the most interesting shot out of these links and I like it a lot. The folks on the beach add a lot to the photograph. But in RP's universe, the train is obstructed and they typically reject for that.
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Might be a tad dark and it looks like it needs either more contrast or a slight boost in saturation, but this one probably could be accepted. However, they might also get it for being backlit
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Another frame where there's a good shot in there somewhere trying to get out. Train is centered left to right. I feel it needs more on the left and less on the right. It could get kicked for distrcting shadows though
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Maybe a good location to go back to at some point where there are less shadows on the track. As some say here, this is one for the personal collection.
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