Old 08-12-2012, 02:46 AM   #1
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Default I thought it was level....

But apperently the screener didnt.

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:51 AM   #2
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Anytime you put vertical lines next to the edges, you risk the wrath of the screener gods. Here, the vertical pole of the crossing sign on the right is clearly not vertical. And the utility poles toward the back, right in the middle of the frame, are not vertical. Whether they are in real life or not is a separate question, here they certainly look off. Frustrating I'm sure, as you have the engine cab properly lined up, it appears.
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:43 AM   #3
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Looks level to me... makes you wonder why such tight tolerances exist. I have to assume a marble placed anywhere at this screener's house would simply remain still.

As Janusz mentioned - the engine cab is perfectly level - AND in the center of the image where levelness would typically be determined. I'd appeal and note. Otherwise, looks like you'll have to distort the image by pulling on some corners.

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Appeal was sent and rejected. Back the drawing board.
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Old 08-12-2012, 10:04 PM   #5
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Default CCW a bit

I looks like there are three major elements that to me indicate CCW - the two crossing structures and the grey pole in the background.

If you line all those up as the vertical I think it would work.

Just my $.02

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I think the rejection is ridiculous, no two things are leaning the same direction.
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I think the rejection is ridiculous, no two things are leaning the same direction.
I agree. Ridiculous.
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From a naked eye standpoint, the crossing looks level to me. The big pole near the center does not, but the pole itself could likely be leaning.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:58 PM   #9
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Simple fix. Rotate it .42 CCW and then pull the bottom right corner out slightly to correct the wide angle distortion. With this adjustment, both horizontals are level (tops of the crossing signals) and all verticals aside from the bright brown pole are level. I took a screen shot of the photoshop window with the guide lines visible for reference:

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Jim nailed it.

Obvious lens related distortion that once fixed, makes everything mo betta!

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Nice work Jim!
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Except now the elements that are sure to be square like the building on the hill and the the sign for the railroad are leaning. I say it was fine the first time and I would even say it is fine after Jim did his thing. What it comes down to is a serious amount of nit picking.
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Simple fix. Rotate it .42 CCW and then pull the bottom right corner out slightly to correct the wide angle distortion. With this adjustment, both horizontals are level (tops of the crossing signals) and all verticals aside from the bright brown pole are level. I took a screen shot of the photoshop window with the guide lines visible for reference:

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"Lens Correction" is cheating. There's nothing wrong with the shot.
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"Lens Correction" is cheating. There's nothing wrong with the shot.
How is fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used cheating?

If you're sharpening your digital files, you're also cheating right? That is considered fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used..

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How is fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used cheating?

If you're sharpening your digital files, you're also cheating right? That is considered fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used..

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Touché!

I made a CCW rotation and resubmitted.
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Well this pretty much dashed any hope of this photo getting on.
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Well this pretty much dashed any hope of this photo getting on.
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Well, hell, that rejection makes me want to cuss and it's not even my shot! I'd almsot suggest you apppeal and ask them if they're drunk or just high.



While technically that rejection might be legit, it's also bullsh*t on this image.
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I also disagree with that rejection in this instance. It's an interesting shot that deserves to be on.

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I do not get it. I think it's a very nice shot. I would have clicked on this shot to get a better look. Something I don't do on the endless number of wedgies accepted each day...but that's just me..
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How is fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used cheating?

If you're sharpening your digital files, you're also cheating right? That is considered fixing a flaw inherit to the technology used..

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A wide angle lens brings some distortion. That should be understood. However, when you go overboard on using some image-doctoring software, yes---it's akin to cheating. I know, because I cheat all the time. Yes, every time I sharpen a shot, that's cheating.

In retrospect, "cheating" might be too strong of a word--but the digital world of photography is worlds away from the film technology and old cameras that were familiar to me some 40 to 50 years ago. Back then, what you shot was what you got--so you had to get it right at the instant you pressed the shutter. I don't have to tell you all the things that could go wrong. You only knew if you had succeeded once the little yellow box of slides returned from the Kodak processor.

We've had these conversations on the forum many times, so it's not worth beating a dead horse. However, I did think the shot was fine---and I found it simply insane that it went back and forth on the "leveling" issue (you guys know how I feel about THAT!) when the image was fine the way it was initially uploaded. From that point, we went on a Magical Mystery Tour of lens correction, CW rotation, etc.--all in some hope the screener would grasp the error of his decision. Obviously it was to no avail---so RP viewers are denied a nice image of a classic 0-6-0 at work.

And---that's a cryin' shame.
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Since we are beating dead horses already let me just say 6 little letters with an exclamation point.

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A wide angle lens brings some distortion. That should be understood. However, when you go overboard on using some image-doctoring software, yes---it's akin to cheating.
It took me all of about 20 seconds to level and fix the tiny distortion that was evident.

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And a lot of that "cheating" has been happening with film photographs since the invention of the scanner (which I believe was long before digital cameras became the norm). I remember editing some of my film shots in photoshop in the mid-90s. What year did digital cameras become readily available (ie: affordable) for consumers? I didn't even get my first one until 2003.
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Since we are beating dead horses already let me just say 6 little letters with an exclamation point.

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I like Flickr as much as the next guy, but that's not really relevant here. That shot should be accepted to RP.
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