Old 09-06-2010, 06:54 AM   #1
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This shot was rejected in the reason by "Similar to Previous Photo". What is it mean?

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Old 09-06-2010, 07:49 AM   #2
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Probably because you have two other similarly-composed images from the surface mine that were accepted recently:

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I'd suggest waiting a couple months for the "freshness" of those images to wear off in peoples' minds and then trying again. Also, I recommend including caption information to describe what's going on in the scenes; they're visually fascinating, but providing those extra details will really help viewers understand what they're seeing.
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I don't see it as similar too your others, I don't know appeal it asking, To what?
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Disagree with Dave, agree with Scott. One sees multiple shots of different trains on RP all the time accepted in short order, and here the subject and the angle are notably different. Appeal.
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Disagree with Dave, agree with Scott. One sees multiple shots of different trains on RP all the time accepted in short order, and here the subject and the angle are notably different. Appeal.
Good point, Janusz. I'm sometimes left to wonder why the "similar to previous" rejection exists when I see three or four consecutive shots in the db taken from the same angle at the same location.

So, changing my own recommendation: Appeal! (And then edit the photo's info to add a caption.)
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Disagree with Dave, agree with Scott. One sees multiple shots of different trains on RP all the time accepted in short order, and here the subject and the angle are notably different. Appeal.
I tried appeal, but my appeal for this photo has been rejected.

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I'd suggest waiting a couple months for the "freshness" of those images to wear off in peoples' minds and then trying again. Also, I recommend including caption information to describe what's going on in the scenes; they're visually fascinating, but providing those extra details will really help viewers understand what they're seeing.
I think it's right way because my appeal was rejected. I hope this image may be interesting for RP visitors.

Thank you all!
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I dont see why they would do that. ESPECIALLY considering how some people on here seem to only shoot from 1 or 2 locations... including the person with the most pics on RP.
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The "Similar to Previous" (or STP) rejection is probably the most exasperating of them all. None of the photographers here can control what other people upload and the first to be submitted is not always the best composition or image quality. Fortunately, some of the Screeners seem to offer more latitude on this.....or perhaps they have shorter memories!

In this case, if the rejected shot is perceived to be similar to the two that Dave cited in his post, I'm baffled. Both the scene and the trains look different to me. I have difficulty understanding both the initial rejection...where you get perhaps 15 seconds of the Screener's time....and the subsequent appeal, where...in my experience at least...much closer attention is paid to details.

Sergey, I'd be curious if you explained the differences between the accepted photos and the one that was rejected. If you did not, that could easily explain why the appeal was denied. The initial Screener saw something he thought was STP, but the Admin looking at the appeal could have been clueless as to what the initial Screener's issue was. If you had cited specific PhotoIDs so the Admin could compare them, that might have won your case.

Hang on to it for a while.
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I dont see why they would do that. ESPECIALLY considering how some people on here seem to only shoot from 1 or 2 locations... including the person with the most pics on RP.
Don't be coy, Troy. Tell us who you're talking about.
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Before he says Peter, the early morning is the time I have been able to get out lately and that is the only place I had left (within easy biking distance, mind you) to shoot the SB Crescent.
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Don't be coy, Troy. Tell us who you're talking about.
Read between the lines:

http://www.railpictures.net/showphot...nnesota,%20USA

Obviously the "1 or 2 locations" was an exaggeration, but you get where I am going with this...

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Read between the lines:

http://www.railpictures.net/showphot...nnesota,%20USA

Obviously the "1 or 2 locations" was an exaggeration, but you get where I am going with this...
Wow. I see what you mean Troy. It is just shot after shot in the same place. If everyone did that it would be a pretty boring website.
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Select 90 per page and scroll downward fast, Looks like the same scene with some color flashes.

to the OP. Sorry your appeal didn't win out. Those shots are different enough to warrant being on here.

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Seeing that does make it a little hard to counterpoint what Troy was saying. I have some of the same scenes here, but I try to shoot them in different ways. Failing that, I'd eventually have to make myself stop posting the same scene of the same seen.
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Seeing that does make it a little hard to counterpoint what Troy was saying. I have some of the same scenes here, but I try to shoot them in different ways. Failing that, I'd eventually have to make myself stop posting the same scene of the same seen.
I shoot the heck out of the same locations, but I shoot different compositions at them.

It does pose a valid question... How many same shot same place by the same person is enough on RP? And does a different paint job constitute enough difference?

Or I could just state that the similar to previous rejections needs to die, as it's confusing?

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One thing we can agree on is consistency on RP. Though I wish admin would get together and be more consistent on what is acceptable and less consistent on being inconsistent.

The rejected image is not even the same type of engine.

Good thing Jean-Marc slipped under the "Same as previous" radar...

I'm quite shocked that even an appeal didn't correct the issue. I'm also rather confused as to why a properly composed and exposed image would be denied acceptance into the database as I do not see the negative of 1 additional generic shot in the database which will disappear in a few minutes. I say this keeping in mind that though it may "disappear in minutes", it could be an asset to RP as it will always be in the database for those with an interest in mining railroads, foreign lines and so fourth. It is no secret that RP is more the 'best railroad photos on the net, but also one of the best databases on the 'net. Dog gone it. I just can't explain.

I'd suggest as other have and do - resubmit at a later date when it will be fresh(er) or set up a tripod at night and send it back as a whirlpool streak shot for a PC.

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The rejected image is not even the same type of engine.
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Holy cow, did I make a valid point?
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I dont see why they would do that. ESPECIALLY considering how some people on here seem to only shoot from 1 or 2 locations... including the person with the most pics on RP.
You mean like all those images shot from the turn-out on highway 138 at Summit in the Cajon Pass?

I shant post images here as examples because they are too numerous and I don't have an axe to grind with anyone in particular.

Mark my words folks......

My next photo expose on RP.Net for the Fall of 2010 will be "my shots" from the most whored out photo spots in the Cajon Pass.

Summit, Sullivan's, 582, Swartout Road, Blue Cut, Keenbrook and all the others.

From Verdemont to Lugo, I will bring it all to you.

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Accepted this evening...

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I have no beef with Mr. Schultz, just offering a counterpoint to the OP's rejection notice...
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Wink I don't get why they allow this.

A few more frames and it could be a short movie.

Although it does count that they are different trains in each of the images.

But the fact that it is three images on the same day, from the same spot, seems a little inconsistent with regard to what started this thread.

I have seen some that it is the same train, just 30 feet more down the track.

And I got grief for these two.

Image © EL ROCO Photography
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Everything would have been fine, but for those meddling kids!


But they didn't catch these two uploaded within four days (April 14th and April 16th, 2010):


Image © EL ROCO Photography
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Or these two of the same train, one uploaded 12-10-2009

Image © EL ROCO Photography
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and the other uploaded on 4-22-2010

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So waiting does in fact help.

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Holloran Grade, I don't think it is trying to prevent them from catching it. Notice this in the Detailed Photo Submission Guidelines: "Please avoid similar angles of the same train from the same location. Generally one shot is enough of a train at a particular location. If you must photograph it again, please attempt to find another location which offers a different view of the train." I think we should respect their site and follow their rules. They won't catch one a month later. But let's respect their rules.
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Sorry, you missed the point.

All of mine are six are distinctly different images.

They are composed differently, they show different aspects of the subject(s) and/or different subjects and the focus depth and frame width is different in relation to the primary subjects in each example.

That was not by accident and the submissions follow the rules of the Site.

However, the fact remains that they were taken at or about the same time from the same location which is why I don't understand why the initial rejection occurred (with the mining train) and why the three examples cited by DWHonan are in the database in almost sequential order.
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However, the fact remains that they were taken at or about the same time from the same location which is why I don't understand why the initial rejection occurred (with the mining train) and why the three examples cited by DWHonan are in the database in almost sequential order.
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And notice, people, that their photo ids are within 7, so there was very likely the same screener screening all of them and highly unlikely that there were three different screeners.
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