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The official end of an era...

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Old 12-30-2010, 05:27 PM   #2
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Wow, one guy spend $16k to develop 1600 rolls of slides of trains!
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One wonders why he waited so long?

I shot K64 for about a decade, and only switched to digital because it was a PITA to get the K64 developed, was expensive, and the writing was on the wall. I find it ironic that the Paul Simon song 'Kodachrome' contains the line "I gotta Nikon camera"... that was me, two Nikon F3's and Kodachrome. Still have a few rolls, including one that will never be developed.

Those here that only know digital will never know what it was like to shoot Kodachrome, and, IMO, what it was like to truly make a photograph. Digital opens some many possibilities, but it takes away a key element... knowing the film and how to use it. That view screen on the back of the camera takes away alot of the skill. If you shot Kodachrome, you know exactly what I mean by that.
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Those here that only know digital will never know what it was like to shoot Kodachrome, and, IMO, what it was like to truly make a photograph. Digital opens some many possibilities, but it takes away a key element... knowing the film and how to use it. That view screen on the back of the camera takes away alot of the skill. If you shot Kodachrome, you know exactly what I mean by that.
Exactly. That's why I railed for so long against those that always touted RAW as a way to save your shots if you messed up the settings. With digital, there's no excuse for messing up the settings unless you don't know what you're doing. Shooting Kodachrome for a few years taught me more about cameras than digital ever could have. There were no test shots, no checking the histogram on the back of the camera; you had to know your settings and get it right the first time.

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Exactly. There were no test shots, no checking the histogram on the back of the camera; you had to know your settings and get it right the first time.

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I try vary hard to shoot my 50D like film even tho you can fix most RAW's I like nailing it right out of the camera, A left over from film days?
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I try vary hard to shoot my 50D like film even tho you can fix most RAW's I like nailing it right out of the camera, A left over from film days?
No, just good technique. =)
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Exactly. That's why I railed for so long against those that always touted RAW as a way to save your shots if you messed up the settings. With digital, there's no excuse for messing up the settings unless you don't know what you're doing. Shooting Kodachrome for a few years taught me more about cameras than digital ever could have. There were no test shots, no checking the histogram on the back of the camera; you had to know your settings and get it right the first time.

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I try vary hard to shoot my 50D like film even tho you can fix most RAW's I like nailing it right out of the camera, A left over from film days?
I think the part in bold is right, the words "left over", or at least those words contain insight. It may be that modern technology has devalued the skill of getting it right the first time, just as it has devalued so many other skills. One comes to mind right now, reading maps, really reading maps and finding the best route, vs. just printing out the google/yahoo/mapquest instructions. Not so important a skill as it used to be. That saddens me.

I don't care much about the film ethos myself; I understand the value of getting it "right" in camera is not zero, I respect those who do care but it isn't that important to me. I care about getting the end product right.

And, of course, I myself don't produce the sort of end product for which higher levels of care are needed. I don't recall ever taking a shot for which I wasn't either close enough to take care of in PP or so far off that film vs. digital mattered, nothing was saving those shots. So I personally can get it right just by getting it close in camera.

Kudos to those who do, but for me the kudos really go to those who get the fantastic images; whether they get it right in camera and tweak minimally or get it close and PP, doesn't much matter to me.
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Thats about what it cost me a year to buy and process a years film, Don't miss that at all.
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I can remember using my mom's kodak camera as a child, taking photos on the Durango & Silverton, and Horseshoe Curve. Brings back childhood memories, I remember a thing or 2 about the film, and we still have the camera hanging around the house somewhere. We got ours printed off, and have those photos stored as memories in scrapbooks. What were you memories of using Kodachrome?
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Ian, you couldn't get Kodachrome slides printed... they are slides (prints could be made from them, but that is something completely different). Kodak made alot of types of film, and I'd imagine you were shooting print film.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:29 AM   #11
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When I read that Jim DeNike, 53, a "railroad worker" from Arkansas, had spent $15,000, got 1580 rolls developed, and that all those 50,000 Kodachrome shots were of trains,

I got a big stupid grin on my face all morning.
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Talking The Death of Kodachrome.

I have but one thing to say about this issue.....

BFD

Film is over, its done, it had it's day and it's demise is no big deal.

You don't hear anyone complaining that LPs, or cassette tapes, or 8-tracks, or CD's are gone, so why lament over some film?

Unless that is your passion like all those people on Flickr that shoot Polaroids.
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When I read that Jim DeNike, 53, a "railroad worker" from Arkansas, had spent $15,000, got 1580 rolls developed, and that all those 50,000 Kodachrome shots were of trains,

I got a big stupid grin on my face all morning.
If you guys only knew, you'd all grin from ear to ear.

Jim and I were compadres back in the day; from the late 70s to late 80s we were in-the-trenches-warriors chasin' the sun, watchin' the weather channel at 2 minutes and 32 minutes past, jumping up and down at that ONE cloud in the sky, raiding Target at night buying up every last roll of KM dates 6-9 months out, grilling out all night labeling mailers to Findlay, Ohio, and on and on. Most of my rosters and train shots here on RP that are in Texas had Jim on the right side of me; right side 'cause Jim would "hand test" the exposure with his right hand, me with my left. Don't know how many tens of thousands of miles we logged chasing the Santa Fe in Texas, and every sunlit roster shot in between, blowing the horn at every cow and flock of birds in our midst. Man, those were some fun times, and I wish we could relive just a few of them.

The reporter got it wrong that he borrowed money from his Dad's retirement account...it was actually his OWN retirement account; he and his dad are named the same.

Jim ("Chunga" to me, Mark Lynn, Tim Jones and othes) was definitely a character; but my longest known friend of all time.

And FWIW, his 15 minutes of fame are not over, they are just beginning; stay tuned.....

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Guess all those rolls of Kodachrome 64 I kept in the freezer that I was going to sell for $1000 a roll 10 years from now just became useless...
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Guess all those rolls of Kodachrome 64 I kept in the freezer that I was going to sell for $1000 a roll 10 years from now just became useless...
Haha, classic. I was hoping to save one roll of Kodachrome, but this summer while on a trip with my Dad I forked it over to him as he franticly looked for another roll in his bag. Should have told him that the trackside market price is about $120.

To respond to the "who cares" crowd... I think the big reason the passing of Kodachrome has gotten so much attention (and not just on railfan forums, but in the news) is that it was the end of an era in popular culture. For the better part of 75 years, color slide film was how people recorded their vacations, families and memories. At this point, I'd say it's more a nostalgia thing for most people.

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Ya, and perhaps you should take Jimmy Hoffa out of there too and give what is left of him back to his family, I believe they are still looking for him.
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Ya, and perhaps you should take Jimmy Hoffa out of there too and give what is left of him back to his family, I believe they are still looking for him.
Classic. You cracked me up.
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Jimmy Hoffa is buried in yankee stadium, I thought everyone knew that
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It's a damn shame that 100 years from now all anyone is going to find in an attic are some corrupt disk drives and scratched up CD's instead of negatives and photo albums.
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It's a damn shame that 100 years from now all anyone is going to find in an attic are some corrupt disk drives and scratched up CD's instead of negatives and photo albums.
It would be a darn shame also in a 100 years to find a damp basement with a pile of filthy, scratched LP's alongside waterlogged, moldy, dirty, albums of faded negatives and prints.

Archiving is archiving no matter the medium.
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It's a damn shame that 100 years from now all anyone is going to find in an attic are some corrupt disk drives and scratched up CD's instead of negatives and photo albums.
Yeah, and with the super-advanced technology 100 years from now, those people will be saying, "What in the hell were they thinking?!"

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My slides just came in today. About a 1/3 of it is trains, there is some really good stuff on here. I got two specials including our very own Florida East Coast #2000 commemorative diesel, was locked away in storage for years rusting away, the CEO decided to pull it back out of storage fix it up and put it on their Christmas train. The neat thing is it's the only GP40 on their roster, everything else 4-axle have been converted to -2's and -3's. It's painted in the same colors as the E8's from the 50's in red and gold and we all know how well Kodachrome renders those colors. They looked good on the projector I'll get them scanned and upload them.
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upload yay or nay? I know the light is not on the side of the diesel their law enforcement was there and wouldn't let me go on the other side.
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It'll get rejected for being on the dark side.

I had a similar situation where a LEO wouldn't let me on the other side. I asked him if he was allowed to go on the other side. He said, "well obviously yes". I asked him if he could take my camera then and take a shot for me after I explained how I wanted it, and he did. May work for you next time. Doesn't hurt to ask.

It was a shot of the CSX anti-terrorist training train.

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