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Default This shot defies RP's photo standards .

I might get a thrashing for starting this thread but honestly feel that many out there must have the same sentiment seeing questionable pictures get in after many of their own shots are rejected for numerous reasons. We all have had rejections that make us scratch our head and most will learn from those flaws and avoid submitting similar photos again but at the same time many are pushing the envelope to get that new look.

It's obvious that RP has a set of standards that it follows to a degree and it certainly makes for a high quality site but at the same time there are some shots that get in that seem to go beyond the "human element" aspect of judging. It is these shots that create more submissions of shots that screeners will reject on a regular basis but when one views shots on the database similar they feel their shot has a chance too and IMO creates a credibility issue with the standards.

I usually don't bring up other shots in a negative fashion, but seeing this is a person that is part of the crew I just wonder how a "crew" member shot can get in that has rejection qualities and other potentially better shots get the ax from submitters.

The below shot has a train engine that has no part of the wheels showing and really is rather incomplete in the shot which alone defies the normal logic for RP. Even though the fence was included to frame and set the tone of the shot it creates such a dominating image that adds to the "foreground clutter" that most of us would see on our submitted shot for a rejection. Add in the fact it is raining and really no special merit to the shot seeing there are over 50 in the database already, I honestly wonder how this gets in and others posted looking for answers don't?

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Andrew, you have so many creative and high quality shots in the database with a good "eye", I respectfully challenge you why this one didn't just be kept for your personal collection? Maybe someone else screened your photo, but in all fairness I see some wavering standards at times and it has to create others to second guess what is acceptable and not, IMO.


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Hilarious, Jim!

As for the shot, I'm not a fan, but not in the mood to get into even a friendly debate over it or over RP. Too long a night. And the Penguins just lost the Cup final. And I have no power so at the moment I am in a loud, loud sports bar trying to get a project done.
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That looks like one of the backyard scale trains.
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I have often wondered whether some of the screeners get buddy points for being on the crew as well. Having said that, I have not come across many photos taken by the RP.Net Crew that I think would have been rejected from the database.

Personally, I like those types of 'arty' shots and would like to see more of them in the database. Photos with more human element in them would be good too.
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You gonna share? There are no FREDs and appears no doors to close.


The shot has a train... an artistic shot... normal RP "standards" far from it... does that make it a bad shot... no way. Should it be shared here noting the RP standards... my decision is still in the air (and doesn't hold any water anyways).

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It could be framed better. If he moved closer to the fence he would have more train visible. I think the focus should be on the locomotive as well. Right now its kind of a picture of the fence with a train in the background.

Not a big deal.
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Its a mood shot, they will get in at time's, if there in the MOOD LOL
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I was standing about 20 yards from where the shot in question was taken.

Let me set the scene.... About 40 of us had just climbed off a nice, dry train into a steady, soaking rain. The ceiling and visibility were coming down and just about every square inch of landscape that didn't have vegetation on it was rapidly becoming a mudhole. As the train crew backed up for the first run-by, a couple of ad-hoc photo lines formed on the either side of the track. Everyone struggled to find a decent spot that wasn't risking being hit by the train or fouling anyone else's shot.

This was only my 4th photo charter, so I was still kind of a new guy at this. Having met some of the participants on other charters (several contribute here), I was well aware of what these folks can do with a camera....so as I stood there waiting for the run-bys to begin, I took a look around to see what THEY were doing. Most folks were huddled in one of the photo lines, with a few stragglers here and there. To my right, I see a young guy in a dark rain jacket and ballcap wander off BEHIND a fence to the right of the photo line. Looking for shelter maybe? Giving up on this dark, rainy scene? Answering the call of nature? I later learned that the guy I'm talking about was in fact RP's own AB(2).

Facing a challenging situation like this is where you notice the greatest difference between....as BigBassLloyd once put it....railfans with cameras and photographers who take railroad pictures.

Me? I was standing there with the crowd, struggling to keep my equipment dry and fiddling with the exposure settings HOPING I might be able to take an acceptable picture.

Andrew? He already had a frame around his.
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I might get a thrashing for starting this thread but honestly feel that many out there must have the same sentiment seeing questionable pictures get in after many of their own shots are rejected for numerous reasons. We all have had rejections that make us scratch our head and most will learn from those flaws and avoid submitting similar photos again but at the same time many are pushing the envelope to get that new look.
You answered a lot of the questions posted later in your thread with that last sentence. I may be a screener but that doesn't mean I don't take or submit photos that push the envelope. Would I complain if they were rejected definitely not because I understand why a fellow screener found a flaw. Now lets get to the good stuff.
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It's obvious that RP has a set of standards that it follows to a degree and it certainly makes for a high quality site but at the same time there are some shots that get in that seem to go beyond the "human element" aspect of judging. It is these shots that create more submissions of shots that screeners will reject on a regular basis but when one views shots on the database similar they feel their shot has a chance too and IMO creates a credibility issue with the standards.
The standards set for screening photos here are not set in stone which is why they are known as 'guidelines' not rules. I hope my submission does in fact lead to the submission of more shots that don't follow the guidelines because there are many, many more types of styles that have not been tried. Does that mean they are all going to get accepted automatically? No way. Screeners look at a shot and the first question they ask themselves is "is this photo technically acceptable?" Is the exposure correct, color, size, cropping etc. Now the focus goes towards the message or what the photo is saying and how well the photographer relays their message to the viewer. This is the part where many people think they have done a good job but in fact fail because they are not looking at it through someone elses eyes just their own. Bad idea. Before I submitted the photo in question I shared it with 4 trusted photographers which happen to be [brutally] honest friends. 2 liked it and 2 found flaws with the composition and overall message. Well, I needed to break the tie so I uploaded it and waited to see what the 5th person had to say (screener). He obviously got what I was going for or liked it for one reason or another. Note: I didn't put a comment to who reviewed my shot to see if it 'passed' on its own merit.

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I usually don't bring up other shots in a negative fashion, but seeing this is a person that is part of the crew I just wonder how a "crew" member shot can get in that has rejection qualities and other potentially better shots get the ax from submitters.
As I have said before my shots are always welcome to be brought up and critiqued or even torn to shreds since I am only seeing one side of the image. It sounds like you think rejection reasons are some sort of checklist that the photo must pass in order to make it into the DB which is hardly true. RP sells itself as being the best railroad photos on the net which means a wide variety of style, composition, use of light, etc. One reason the screening system works (although some may argue that) is because all of us are open to anything and everything regardless of our own personal styles or likings. "Potentially better shots" is a very subjective term and goes along the lines of "well, I don't understand why this boring wide angle, broadside shot got in while my interesting 300mm telephoto didn't." This is putting ones own personal photographic preferences above looking at the photos for what they are in terms of how they sell themselves on subject alone. On to the photo itself!

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The below shot has a train engine that has no part of the wheels showing and really is rather incomplete in the shot which alone defies the normal logic for RP. Even though the fence was included to frame and set the tone of the shot it creates such a dominating image that adds to the "foreground clutter" that most of us would see on our submitted shot for a rejection. Add in the fact it is raining and really no special merit to the shot seeing there are over 50 in the database already, I honestly wonder how this gets in and others posted looking for answers don't?

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The wheels are there but I think the train is out of focus enough that you cannot make out details like where the drivers are. They are there although the very bottom is obstructed by a slight hill (not the fence). This brings up the question of how much of the wheels need to be shown to make something acceptable or just clutter. What about a girder bridge? or tall weeds on a shortline/branch line? Each case is unique and in this case I felt fitting what I could of the locomotive in between the fence would clearly show what it is without being distracting as it isn't the main focus of the photo. The problem with the critique of this photo is that it is from a "train-shot" point of view rather than of the train as PART of the image. I don't really know where you stand on the rain whether you think it should be rejected automatically because rain=clouds or whether you think it is an enhancement. I went for this angle for a number of reasons with the rain being the main reason. This was the second and last runby at this location and I had gone for a more in-the-box angle for the first which turned out dark and dreary (you can't tell it's raining) so I figured making the train the secondary subject would allow the DoF to pick up the rain. Annoyed with the photoline setting up way to close to the tracks, I wanted to shoot up the street, I had to look for an alternative or the fence. The amount of photos of one particular subject or locomotive has no effect on whether a shot should be added or rejected and cannot be compared to the one in question. Technically, that is unfair unless it is from the same location/same day/same angle. Mine is different than the other 50 which I think helped its case while others who like the styles of the other photographers may feel differently which is again not fair to do.

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Andrew, you have so many creative and high quality shots in the database with a good "eye", I respectfully challenge you why this one didn't just be kept for your personal collection? Maybe someone else screened your photo, but in all fairness I see some wavering standards at times and it has to create others to second guess what is acceptable and not, IMO.
As I already said, I added it to see what the reaction would be and it turns out it isn't that popular with the RP audience which is okay by me. Being that it is a tank engine, making it large in the frame didn't make sense to me so I used the fence to make the small engine seem even smaller. As for someone else screening my photos, 100% of the time. No one can see everything there is to see in a photo especially the photographer who took it so it is vital for a second or third pair of eyes to review it. Let's go over the guidelines not standards again...1. cloudy - seeing the rain is a big plus I think and puts the viewer in the scene rather than just looking at a dark image 2. wheels cutoff - you may not be able to tell its an 0-6-0T but you can tell its a steam engine and you can make out necessary details such as lettering and shape 3. fence as foreground clutter - the fence is not obstructing any pivotal parts of the image such as the middle of the boiler or nose of locomotive. The fence is also the primary subject which seems odd on a railroad photo site but its been done before with wackier objects than a fence but in those cases it worked as did this. I not only second guessed this particular shot but triple, quadruple guessed it, but I tested the waters and didn't get bit. Maybe I won't be as lucky next time, maybe I will, either way I will grow as a photographer not whine about how unfair the screener was.

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Andrew, first off, thank you for giving a descriptive answer and taking the time to do so.

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It sounds like you think rejection reasons are some sort of checklist that the photo must pass in order to make it into the DB which is hardly true. RP sells itself as being the best railroad photos on the net which means a wide variety of style, composition, use of light, etc. One reason the screening system works (although some may argue that) is because all of us are open to anything and everything regardless of our own personal styles or likings. "Potentially better shots" is a very subjective term and goes along the lines of "well, I don't understand why this boring wide angle, broadside shot got in while my interesting 300mm telephoto didn't." This is putting ones own personal photographic preferences above looking at the photos for what they are in terms of how they sell themselves on subject alone. On to the photo itself!
I don't feel that screeners have a checklist that has to be complied to but do feel there are certain hurdles that stand in the way of a photo getting a longer look and "foreground clutter" and "bad angle" seem to be key areas that the screeners look at besides all the technical areas. Having seen shots get rejected with a little brush, clump of grass or other natural objects that might be covering a small portion of the running gear seem minute compared to the shot I brought up and it opened my eyes as to how little of a train one could have in the picture and get consideration. I guess it wasn't so much how little but the fact that so much of each area seem to have incomplete views (smoke cut off, cars boxed in by the fence, running gear chopped....) to have all these in a photo that yes did have raindrops in view was revealing to see what got a nod.



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The standards set for screening photos here are not set in stone which is why they are known as 'guidelines' not rules. I hope my submission does in fact lead to the submission of more shots that don't follow the guidelines because there are many, many more types of styles that have not been tried Does that mean they are all going to get accepted automatically? No way. .
It is refreshing to see that "out of the box' and "pushing the envelope" type of photos on the RP db and you have shared many great shots on that theme. I would say that while many are trying that approach, many are reluctant too with rejections that don't seem to make sense (while I'll agree most of the time the screeners are correct ) on shots they submit or ones they've seen in the forum. I can speak from experience when I first became a member that besides the regular shots, I had submitted shots that weren't the norm such as a dozen or so similar to my avitar and the rejections weren't for the quality but for things around "no interest or material they wish not to add to the db" which struck me as odd. Like you did, I had several comments and views from photographers which compelled me to scan the slides and then process to upload. I know that after trying a good amount and getting the same dose of rejections the incentive to share some of my experiences became tainted. Time changes and so does what a screener may accept and as a a result some of the shots could be resubmitted if time permitted, which is highly unlikely soon.

While persistance usually pays off for the hard workers, sometimes the screeners seem to have a reason/rejection that is incorrect and at that point, IMO appeals usually end up not changing the outcome. One series pictures I have submitted from the Cog on Mt Washington had that fate. Most familiar with the weather on the mountain and the area know it is home to some of the wildest weather on earth and having climbed the mountain in all seasons I've been part of some wild events and the photos I took of the Cog this day were after a rain shower had coated the rocks, then a fog was created with the sun playing games and to make a long story short the rejection I got on the train photos was wrong exposure after having some pictures made to give to fellow hikers as it portrayed the event/day so well! It was explained in an appeal for the same results and I still get baffled thinking it was denied for a reason that didn't make sense , like others do today. This may have gone off in a tangent but I think it's ok considering the thread I started has half the posts dealing with charters... .

I'm a big fan of having all types of weather being included in the db as trains run in that very same conditions and using nature in the train shots just adds to the interest. Now I know if it rains on a train trip to find a meadow, fence and mix it up a bit, maybe catch a train or if I really want a standout shot, get part of a train and a pair of woman's legs and watch the hits come my way .

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I don't feel that screeners have a checklist that has to be complied to but do feel there are certain hurdles that stand in the way of a photo getting a longer look and "foreground clutter" and "bad angle" seem to be key areas that the screeners look at besides all the technical areas. Having seen shots get rejected with a little brush, clump of grass or other natural objects that might be covering a small portion of the running gear seem minute compared to the shot I brought up and it opened my eyes as to how little of a train one could have in the picture and get consideration. I guess it wasn't so much how little but the fact that so much of each area seem to have incomplete views (smoke cut off, cars boxed in by the fence, running gear chopped....) to have all these in a photo that yes did have raindrops in view was revealing to see what got a nod.


Well, Rich, whats wrong with Andrew getting a little creative? The fence, for me, adds interest, and is a major set aside from the usual train only, all interest in the backround. It says, 'hey, I'm a fence, but I can add interest to your shot'. Now, Rich, consider this. It's a train, and thats the whole point. It's not foreground clutter, the fence, because it is leading you through the whole picture. I know on another forum, about your favorite of others work, one member said how he like shots where the train is almost an afterthought, and that is the whole point, of this picture of Andrews. And, as for your rejection, chances are the picture was underexposed, and that they were'nt just saying that or trying to make it so that Andrew shot only got in.


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Whats so bad with having the smoke cut off? Or the cars being boxed? I find that good framing. And, if Andrew was to want to get all the smoke in, cnaces are it'd just be another steam shot. Besides, what do you need to see the rest of the smoke for? The chopped running gear makes no difference at all either.....lol. Anyways, you seem to think that those "flaws" were over looked, but instead it creates a different shot, a shot that is perhaps more interesting than some of the other steam shots on here? So, what I mean, is that they are not overlooked, but they are instead added elements of interest....right?



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Mmmmm.......I see you DO know how to add a few 'tasty' extras.....

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I don't feel that screeners have a checklist that has to be complied to but do feel there are certain hurdles that stand in the way of a photo getting a longer look and "foreground clutter" and "bad angle" seem to be key areas that the screeners look at besides all the technical areas. Having seen shots get rejected with a little brush, clump of grass or other natural objects that might be covering a small portion of the running gear seem minute compared to the shot I brought up and it opened my eyes as to how little of a train one could have in the picture and get consideration.

I guess it wasn't so much how little but the fact that so much of each area seem to have incomplete views (smoke cut off, cars boxed in by the fence, running gear chopped....) to have all these in a photo that yes did have raindrops in view was revealing to see what got a nod.
Once again, each case is different. In the photos you mention about grass or a natural object blocking a small portion of the engine, it is probably a photo where the train is the main focus of the image and that minute amount of clutter has a big impact on the photo as a whole. Does it always get rejected? No. Is it more likely to get rejected if it is a Dash-9 on a mainline rather than a steam engine or shortline? Absolutely. There is quite a bit of the train visible in my photo, the whole locomotive (front to back) and the boxcar is broken up smoothly meaning the words on the car frame the fence post. The train isn't unnaturally cutoff at the back but rather runs behind the trees making that aspect more appealing. The smoke is hardly cutoff, some of it is not visible but you can clearly see where its coming from and where it end. Had I put the fence just above the smokestack, blocking part of it, or blocking the top of the plume, I doubt I would have even taken a second look at the photo. There are plenty of photos in the DB where the train is tiny in the photo and this is just another form of that style.

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It is refreshing to see that "out of the box' and "pushing the envelope" type of photos on the RP db and you have shared many great shots on that theme. I would say that while many are trying that approach, many are reluctant too with rejections that don't seem to make sense (while I'll agree most of the time the screeners are correct ) on shots they submit or ones they've seen in the forum.
Rejections are unavoidable if you cannot convey the message you want to the screener which is bound to happen when someone starts shooting more creative images. I may have a handful of creative shots on RP but I can assure you for every one that is on now I've had 10-15 rejected in the past when I was learning what works and what doesn't work. I don't mean what works in terms of what is acceptable on RP but in photography in general.
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I can speak from experience when I first became a member that besides the regular shots, I had submitted shots that weren't the norm such as a dozen or so similar to my avitar and the rejections weren't for the quality but for things around "no interest or material they wish not to add to the db" which struck me as odd. Like you did, I had several comments and views from photographers which compelled me to scan the slides and then process to upload. I know that after trying a good amount and getting the same dose of rejections the incentive to share some of my experiences became tainted. Time changes and so does what a screener may accept and as a a result some of the shots could be resubmitted if time permitted, which is highly unlikely soon.
While I've never seen those 10-15 shots personally, I cannot agree or disagree with what the screener said about them. I had to look back to see your avatar and I like it although finding a subject is a little harder but thats in the small 150x150 version. I can understand frustration with older photos not getting into the DB but persistance is important in present day photography. I'm sorry you feel that way about sharing your work with us here but I alone can't change your mind.

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While persistance usually pays off for the hard workers, sometimes the screeners seem to have a reason/rejection that is incorrect and at that point, IMO appeals usually end up not changing the outcome. One series pictures I have submitted from the Cog on Mt Washington had that fate. Most familiar with the weather on the mountain and the area know it is home to some of the wildest weather on earth and having climbed the mountain in all seasons I've been part of some wild events and the photos I took of the Cog this day were after a rain shower had coated the rocks, then a fog was created with the sun playing games and to make a long story short the rejection I got on the train photos was wrong exposure after having some pictures made to give to fellow hikers as it portrayed the event/day so well! It was explained in an appeal for the same results and I still get baffled thinking it was denied for a reason that didn't make sense , like others do today. This may have gone off in a tangent but I think it's ok considering the thread I started has half the posts dealing with charters... .
I don't recall those shots so I can't speak for you or the screener in this case although I'm with you 100% that rejections lately have been incorrect. It seems to have gotten better in the last month or so, but if you look back through the forums from earlier this year there were a lot of ???s about why photos were rejected. I hadn't screened in a while and when I went back to the 'controls' I typed a lot of comments back to photographers regarding what needed to be cropped, etc. It says that photos may sit on the queue for 24-48 which may seem harsh but I think more personal screening would be better than generic terms that are secondary for a photo not 'working'.

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I'm a big fan of having all types of weather being included in the db as trains run in that very same conditions and using nature in the train shots just adds to the interest. Now I know if it rains on a train trip to find a meadow, fence and mix it up a bit, maybe catch a train or if I really want a standout shot, get part of a train and a pair of woman's legs and watch the hits come my way.

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The underlined phrase was what I was going for here. If one person will remember my photo and attempt to take their shot to the next creative level, I've accomplished my 'goal'. Does it mean every shot of a train, fence and grass will work? Nope, it needs to be done in a way that works which is subjective but is easily done through thought out framing within the frame. I'm still working on the latter shot.
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Old 06-07-2008, 02:35 PM   #17
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Can someone please explain to me how this shot...

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Old 06-07-2008, 03:06 PM   #18
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Can someone please explain to me how this shot...

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...yet I haven't heard a single peep from anyone about it?

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You're right. That should be on www.maninchinasittingonahillpictures.net. Mr. Rhodes just happened to get a passing train in the background.

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Old 06-07-2008, 07:42 PM   #19
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Can someone please explain to me how this shot...

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Photograph © Andrew Blaszczyk (2)


...yet I haven't heard a single peep from anyone about it?

-Christian S.
First of all, thanks for showing the other shot, I missed it at the time.

Michael's shot is a shot of a man doing what he is doing! The RR is incidental but offers some context, in that the old man and (implicitly) the old technology of the bundled sticks serves as commentary of a sort on the about to be eliminated steam operation. (One could argue there is not RR content for RP, but as a photo in general it is terrific.)

AB2's shot is a shot of a fence with a bit of RR context. The fence is, to my eye, not interesting enough to make a great photograph; the shot is OK but does not move me in anyway. As an RR shot, there is too much obstruction for my tastes and the fence does not provide an interesting enough environment. Sorry, Andrew, not a fan!
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