Old 12-27-2012, 05:27 PM   #1
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I got hit with a bad cropping rejection. I'm thinking it might be a tad tight on the right but not completely sure. Any thoughts are appreciated!

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:34 PM   #2
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I'd have gone not so tight on the head end of the train. It looks like a roster shot now (albeit of two engines) whereas a looser crop allowing the train to trail off might have worked better. I'm on a different computer than normal, but there looks to be some HDR-type effects going on, too.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:38 PM   #3
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Joe -

I bumped up the contrast a good bit as I was hit with a bad contrast rejection. This is a cropped version so I do have a shot that's looser on the right. The only reason I cropped was because of the empty space in the sky and nothing more than white on the ground. I've seen shots get hit with the bad cropping reject because of these empty areas and I was hoping to try and avoid that. I'll rework the pic and give it another shot.

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Old 12-27-2012, 06:16 PM   #4
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I'm seeing some halos so I might lay off the contrast some. Nice pic, though.
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I think if you fix the cropping, next you will get hit with bad color, or not enough contrast.

The colors in the image seem a little flat.
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:45 PM   #6
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Holloran Grade -

You predicted correctly.

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I was afraid the rejection was for over-saturation so I backed off and just resubmitted. Based on your comment, I think I'll delete it from the queue and adjust the color a bit more.

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Derek -

I did back off the HDRish processing. Thanks for pointing out the halos.

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Old 12-28-2012, 04:04 PM   #7
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Lightbulb Problems with the lack of light.

Getting good contrast in a snow storm and/or blizzard is tough due to the lack of light.

What you really would need is a camera that can do high ISO's without having too much noise such as:

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I was astounded how this one turned out because it was so dark when I shot it, but I was using a newer 5D which allows one to take such liberties.

My old Rebel could never have gotten this shot.
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Getting good contrast in a snow storm and/or blizzard is tough due to the lack of light.

What you really would need is a camera that can do high ISO's without having too much noise such as:
Getting good contrast in a snowy pic has nothing to do with having a camera that can handle high ISOs well.

It has everything to do with how the image was originally exposed and processed, regardless of the equipment.

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Taken with a Rebel:

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Nice shot. I completely agree about having a quality camera that can shoot higher ISO without a ton of noise.

My family got me a Rebel T4i for Christmas so I was trying it out. Hoping the noise qaulity is better that my XTi.

I have a Pentax K-5 which I found has been very, very good for shooting at higher ISO's and not having much noise. The problem I have is the autofocus is not as reliable as I grown accustom to with my old XTi. (And my manual focus is even worse. Man I hate getting older!!! LOL)
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Nice shot. I completely agree about having a quality camera that can shoot higher ISO without a ton of noise.

My family got me a Rebel T4i for Christmas so I was trying it out. Hoping the noise qaulity is better that my XTi.
My photos above were taken with a crappy Rebel XT. While having a camera that can handle higher ISOs without a lot of noise, your T4i shouldn't have any issues with snowy day shots.
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................It has everything to do with how the image was originally exposed and processed, regardless of the equipment.
Well Jim, isn't it always about that?

Something I notice (and I don't take blizzard shots because we don't have them) is that the noise does not manifest itself quite as bad on a white background.

Sure you can take snow shots with a Rebel, but due to the limitations of the camera, you really need to be practiced and I assume it would be better to shoot midday when there is more light.

The OP's image looked to be later, or earlier in the day (or it was just dark).

I am just amazed at the difference between these two images.

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The first was done with a Rebel XT (300D) and the second most recently with a 5D.

I am quite happy with the high signal to noise ratio of the 5D and I was was able to shoot those MOW pictures at a 1/10 sec. exposure which I never would have been able to do with the XT because the images would have been grainy as all get out.

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My photos above were taken with a crappy Rebel XT.
They are not "crappy" cameras, they work just fine for most people and I still like mine.

It is just the stuff we tend to shoot demands more technical equipment and "L" lenses.

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I guess I have a super special rebel that gave me the ability to shoot in snow, and at night.

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I guess I have a super special rebel that gives / gave me the ability to shoot in snow, and at night.
Yes, but it does not correct typos or grammatical errors.

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Yes, but it does not correct typos or grammatical errors.

If you are going to be a disciple of Jim, you must be correct in all ways, always.
I'm happy to see you can reply to a post without putting a photo in it

Since I corrected it, let us continue discussing how crappy Rebels apparently are.

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Sure you can take snow shots with a Rebel, but due to the limitations of the camera, you really need to be practiced and I assume it would be better to shoot midday when there is more light.
Funny, I didn't see that advice offered the first time. I think you told him he needed a better camera.


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They are not "crappy" cameras, they work just fine for most people and I still like mine.
Wait, you told him he needed better equipment for high ISO shots, so relatively speaking, a camera like an old rebel (my 350D, for instance), IS "crappy."

I think it went something like this:

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I was astounded how this one turned out because it was so dark when I shot it, but I was using a newer 5D which allows one to take such liberties.

My old Rebel could never have gotten this shot.
So, in other words, your old Rebel is crappy, relatively speaking, compared to your newer 5D when it comes to getting shots like that.

And I will maintain that yes, my 350D *is* crappy compared to my 5D and 60D. That's why I don't use it any more.
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......So, in other words, your old Rebel is crappy, relatively speaking, compared to your newer 5D ..........
So as not to apparently further obfuscate the obvious, I hereby respond as follows:

Yes Jim, compared to the 5D, my Rebel is a piece of shit.
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Was able to finally rework this and get it accepted on here. Thanks for the pointers!

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So as not to apparently further obfuscate the obvious, I hereby respond as follows:

Yes Jim, compared to the 5D, my Rebel is a piece of shit.


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