Old 10-23-2010, 02:00 AM   #1
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Finally got around to uploading this photo of NS 63N that I caught a couple of weeks ago. I canít understand how the photo is back lit because I was shooting into the sun. Anything I need to do or just scrap it?

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Old 10-23-2010, 02:05 AM   #2
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I can’t understand how the photo is back lit because I was shooting into the sun.


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When we take photos, we do not shoot into the sun. We want to use the sun, and its light to our advantage, and have it light up the sides and nose of the train. In most cases, (Which means: In the case of a 3/4 wedge shot), we shoot with the sun to our back, and our shadow pointing at the train. We want the nose to be lit up, as well as the visible side of the train.

As far as the image, scrap it. No good, no way to fix it.

Edit: I don't think you understand what "backlit" is? Backlit, is when the nose of the engine is dark, but the train's side is lit up, or vice versa. Also, as demostrated here, nothing is lit up by the sun, which is also considered backlit. (This is different than an overcast shot, as on an overcast day, there is no light, period.) Just be on the side of the tracks that the sun is on, with your shadow pointing at the train, to ensure a lit nose.

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Old 10-23-2010, 02:18 AM   #3
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I know how to shoot a train. If you ever seen my videos you can see that I know not to shoot into the sun. I thought that the rays coming off the bridge would make a nice effect in the photo but I guess not.
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That would be the definition of back lit.
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:36 AM   #5
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...and why can't you apply that to your photographs?

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I know how to shoot a train. If you ever seen my videos you can see that I know not to shoot into the sun. I thought that the rays coming off the bridge would make a nice effect in the photo but I guess not.
Something tells me that Railpictures.net is not the place for you. Just my two cents.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:02 AM   #6
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Something tells me that Railpictures.net is not the place for you. Just my two cents.
Wow, he got one shot rejected, and RP might not be the place for him? I started out getting rejections, and I'm sure you did too. All it takes is some practice.

As for the shot, I see what you were trying to do, but it didn't quite work out. Sorry. Don't stop trying for RP though. Soon enough you will get it.
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Not saying it should make it but it has merit i like the attempt, had a 5sec play and came up with this.

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Old 10-23-2010, 05:58 AM   #8
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I applaud you for thinking outside the box, however, this one just did not work in your favor. The lighting affect did not turn out as you had hoped and the composition is sub par. Like Jake said, don't give up. Continue shooting, try new things, and as you do so reference back to RP and see what other contributors are doing. As you develop your photography skills the rejections will reduce in number and the gratification of accepted images will make the time spent in the field well worth it.

I would suggest ignoring what Daniel said altogether. For the time being, continue shooting with the sun to your back. Submit to RP and if you receive any rejections continue to post them on the forums. There is a great number of excellent photographers who contribute on a daily basis. Listen to their advice and apply it the next time you go out and shoot. When you master the basic skills of composition and lighting then move your skills to the next level where you can begin playing with different lighting and compositions.
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While the image is about as wrong as it gets, (though might be a cool shot if you can ever get the sun low enough to light a train from that angle, which i suspect isnt possible), I think that Daniel has little room for snide remarks like that considering his past history under a different username....
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Thanks for the help, I heard about this lashup coming down the H Line and had to get some shots but the sun is horrible for Eastbounds late in the day. I thought the sun had a cool affect but looking at it again I guess not. I think it probably won’t get in any way with the cropping.

Also thank you for the positive feedback, I have quite a few other shoots with the sun at my back. I am pretty new to this whole railroad photography thing, for about 5 years all the photos I shot were for information in my videos like the locomotive numbers and so on, thanks again.
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I think that Daniel has little room for snide remarks like that considering his past history under a different username....
No joke, Nikos.
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Sure, but you must remember to respect people that are in a similar situation to where you were.
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I know how to shoot a train. If you ever seen my videos you can see that I know not to shoot into the sun. I thought that the rays coming off the bridge would make a nice effect in the photo but I guess not.
OK if you knew how to shoot a train, you wouldn't have even thought about submitting this to RP. Go look at some of the images in the database and try to gain some knowledge. Then maybe try to submit another in a year or two.
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If you ever seen my videos you can see that I know not to shoot into the sun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ZyuR2oK7U

I'm sorry but I couldn't help but post this.
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Coming from someone who recrops pics of the same train in the spot and submits them...
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Finally got around to uploading this photo of NS 63N that I caught a couple of weeks ago. I can’t understand how the photo is back lit because I was shooting into the sun. Anything I need to do or just scrap it?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=904776172

Thanks for the help!
Backlit, as explained by others is when you're shooting into the sun, rather than shooting with the sun behind your back. With the exception of early morning/late evening photos, RP does not generally accept backlit photos, unless the photo is dramatic. In this case, I don't find the lighting, nor the composition dramatic, but I applaud you for trying something "different".

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Hi,

When we take photos, we do not shoot into the sun. We want to use the sun, and its light to our advantage, and have it light up the sides and nose of the train. In most cases, (Which means: In the case of a 3/4 wedge shot), we shoot with the sun to our back, and our shadow pointing at the train. We want the nose to be lit up, as well as the visible side of the train.

As far as the image, scrap it. No good, no way to fix it.

Edit: I don't think you understand what "backlit" is? Backlit, is when the nose of the engine is dark, but the train's side is lit up, or vice versa. Also, as demostrated here, nothing is lit up by the sun, which is also considered backlit. (This is different than an overcast shot, as on an overcast day, there is no light, period.) Just be on the side of the tracks that the sun is on, with your shadow pointing at the train, to ensure a lit nose.
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...and why can't you apply that to your photographs?



Something tells me that Railpictures.net is not the place for you. Just my two cents.


Talk about a good laugh.. What an ego! So your handful of wedgies you have in the DB warrant you the right to tell a beginner what to do in a pissy tone? Discouraging him from submitting to RP just because he is a little confused about lighting? When did you become a pro?

You're too stupid to contribute your opinion, so quit posting until you have the ability to post something beneficial to the forum.

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I'm sorry but I couldn't help but post this.
First of all, the only reason I uploaded that one was due to the 2 SD40-2s trailing. Something rarely seen on CSXís A Line and I couldnít cross the tracks and shoot from the other side without trespassing.

How about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fcrR3f4TdM
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I think you'd really have prob had to have the train coming the other direction.
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OK if you knew how to shoot a train, you wouldn't have even thought about submitting this to RP. Go look at some of the images in the database and try to gain some knowledge.
No, sorry. That should be "If you knew how to shoot a train the way RP.net wants you to shoot a train to meet the specific rules they've set for inclusion on their website, you wouldn't have . . . ." I know it's been said in response to other posts in this forum as well, but it bears repeating here. Shoot pictures for yourself, not for RP. Take backlit shots if you like the way they look. Don't stay home just because it's cloudy - there's nothing wrong with taking pictures on a cloudy day. Now, before you decide to submit a shot to RP, consider whether it fits what they want, and if it doesn't, save yourself the rejection. But don't limit your photography to RP.net rules.

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OK if you knew how to shoot a train, you wouldn't have even thought about submitting this to RP. Go look at some of the images in the database and try to gain some knowledge. Then maybe try to submit another in a year or two.
^^^This is what I was trying to say, stated in a different way.


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^^^ I agree, honestly. Maybe, I wouldn't have called myself stupid, but I now realize how my words, especially when in writing, can come back to me.

Let's not go on anymore about this..
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I thought that the rays coming off the bridge would make a nice effect in the photo...
I kinda agree with this. I wish you had shot it in landscape. I think there were some possibilities with this shot regardless of whether it would ever make RP or not, maybe in B&W.

I've only read the first three posts of this thread. I wonder how *interesting* the rest of the thread is.
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In hindsight, a vertical shot probably was wise with the sun rays, but the train needed to be closer.
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Something tells me that Railpictures.net is not the place for you. Just my two cents.
So says the guy who has 28 photos accepted, of which 11 are at the exact same location, same angle and another 4 or 5 identical ones from another location (Hello screeners )

I dont understand how some get rejections for uncorrected uploads or similar to previous, yet some people seem to get shot after identical shot on...
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You're too stupid to contribute your opinion, so quit posting until you have the ability to post something beneficial to the forum.

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You know, while I agree with you in sentiment, that's really quite a bad way to say it. Remember how long ago it was that you were even more inexperienced as he was? His remarks were out of place for his, er, 'credentials', but you went a little overboard there. I do give him credit for handling it so well and admitting that he spoke beyond his experience.

Why are so many threads lately so funny to watch?
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