Old 02-24-2008, 02:15 PM   #1
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I just had two pictures rejected for poor esthetic quality, for reasons I can't understand why.

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The first one was the second time I submitted it, since the first was rejected for unlevel horizon.

I really don't understand this... Am I just thinking to high of myself on these two pictures? Or Does anybody agree with me?
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:56 PM   #2
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I've seen "similar" shots like these in the DB. Maybe if yours had more train around the curve, or a sharper curve to move the train farther across the photos. Great attempts either way.
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:05 PM   #3
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I think poor esthetic quality is a catch-all excuse for "technically the photo is okay, but it's just not a scene we feel like including in the database." It's a judgment call.
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:16 PM   #4
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I just had two pictures rejected for poor esthetic quality, for reasons I can't understand why.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1269693190

The first one was the second time I submitted it, since the first was rejected for unlevel horizon.
So why didn't you level it before submitting it again? With a tighter crop and being levelled, I think it's a nice image.
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:20 PM   #5
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I like both pics and the second one a lot. The second one seems a little unlevel if you look at the bridges but it is still a great shot.
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:29 PM   #6
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I'm not a big fan of either, primarily because the train is secondary in the shot. In the first one, the focus is the golf course, and I despise golf. For the second one, the focus is on the bridges, and they are just to cluttered to be pleasing to the eye.

Again, just my opinion...
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So why didn't you level it before submitting it again? With a tighter crop and being levelled, I think it's a nice image.
I did level it... here's the first attempt...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=475895300
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Old 02-24-2008, 11:59 PM   #8
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I've seen "similar" shots like these in the DB.
Yes, but they are few and far between and always surprise me a bit when one shows up. I don't know what makes some of the genre good (I think Alex Ramos has some on, but with really interesting light, and further back in the train) and most not.

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Old 02-25-2008, 12:23 AM   #9
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i quite like the second one, just think it needs some adjustments, colors look a but dull right now.
first one is ok but not enough of the train and do much of the golfcourse
really with shots like this its just luck of the draw
i got this one in but most of my others were rejected
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I did level it... here's the first attempt...

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=475895300

Did you see my edit above? Neither of those rejects is anywhere close to being level. In fact, I had to rotate it 4.9 degrees CW to get it level.
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Old 02-26-2008, 06:10 PM   #11
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Did you see my edit above? Neither of those rejects is anywhere close to being level. In fact, I had to rotate it 4.9 degrees CW to get it level.
Ahhhh yes I see what you mean now... Still I don't think I could fix the picture enough for them to accept it
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Can you back and reshoot it? I think with a little more train in the shot, it would be accepted. Maybe you can get further back in the train and hang out a little more?
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Can you back and reshoot it? I think with a little more train in the shot, it would be accepted. Maybe you can get further back in the train and hang out a little more?
Haha... I'd love too... other then that was taken on vacation in hawaii, and I was at the back of the train! Ah well...
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I think part of what makes some work and some not is the eye catching scenery and how dramatic the screener thinks it is. I think another element is the way it relates to the train it's self. For example a mountain curve shot from the rear of a long train perched on a cliff has a lot of a "wow factor" because of the train seeming to defeat the straight line train of thought in dealing with visual prospective diminishing to a vanishing point.

The bridge shot just seems kind of cluttered by all the steel of the bridge in that angle. The image is sort of dominated by the bridge instead of scenery.

The golf course shot needs some more of an angle to the engine and maybe a little less golf course. Perhaps a vertical.
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:24 AM   #15
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The bridge shot just seems kind of cluttered by all the steel of the bridge in that angle. The image is sort of dominated by the bridge instead of scenery.

That's what I was trying to capture though... the train going on the bridge. Yes, I realize I'm just taking a picture of a train going onto the bridge, I just thought it would be unique being taken from the cab of the trailing unit. I mean, how often does it happen for somebody else?
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