Old 09-09-2008, 12:21 AM   #1
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(If I may use Nick's shot for my question.)I had this pic rejected a few days ago (and then resubmitted to get rejected again)for PEQ or as Jim puts it, the "your photo sucks" rejection , and then I see a similar one got accepted today, my question is, what differences are there between the two? exposure? angle? shadow? or mine just sucks
I had to do a double take when I saw Nicks, which BTW is a great shot

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Old 09-09-2008, 12:31 AM   #2
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Bill;

I'll be honest with you. I think you have a legitimate beef. In fact, nothing against Nick, but I like your shot better. Your shot has something his doesn't -- texture. You can feel your shot. His always suffers from unfortunate shadow placement. The only gripe I have with your shot is something you could not control, the lettering is upside down.

I'm not sure I have any advice for you other than to say PEQ is *not& the end all of rejections. I have appealed one and got it accepted. Not sure how my post may have helped either, come to think of it.


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Old 09-09-2008, 12:35 AM   #3
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Interesting comparison! The main thing to me is that to me a face-on angle is inherently less interesting than an off-center angle. For the same reason that a wedgie roster is inherently more interesting than a side shot of an engine. Having a third dimension is important in bringing life to what is, after all, a two dimensional image. Depth is important.

[Now, don't jump on me or take me wrong. Shooting rosters is it's own realm. What I am saying is not that rosters are bad, but taken as artisitic photography, they fall flat, pun intended. They have a different role.]

I also think the diagonal - wheel and wheel shadow - and it being front/left and back/right, in contrast to the car end being front/right and back/left, adds a significant degree of dynamism that your simpler left/right composition lacks.

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I definitely agree with Joe about the texture. Love texture!
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Ooo, my first time being an example! I will provide my 2 cents, having no qualifications other than going through about 20 shots I took around these two lonely hoppers yesterday and picking out this one to upload. I was skeptical of its chances, but as others have pointed out, those are the ones that seem to get in on the first try.

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I was excited about this one simply for the way it filled the frame. There's vertical lines, and diagonal lines going each way. The wheel is mirrored by the shadow, and the amount of sky is minimal. It seems "big" to me, probably because of the "looking up" angle and the distance between the subject and its shadow.

I attached the other version I created first. I still like it, but the tighter crop was more appealing to me.

As for your picture, I like the texture in your shot as others have pointed out, and the roofwalk. It makes it obvious we're looking at a rail car. But if I had to guess, I would say the angle is the issue. It just seems "dry" to me if that makes any sense.
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Interesting comparison! The main thing to me is that to me a face-on angle is inherently less interesting than an off-center angle. For the same reason that a wedgie roster is inherently more interesting than a side shot of an engine. Having a third dimension is important in bringing life to what is, after all, a two dimensional image. Depth is important.
Before I read the replies, I thought this exact thing. Texture aside, I find the angle of Nick's picture more appealing.
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I'm surprised Nick's picture didnt get a high sun reject

I too think you have a legitimate beef, I like yours better too
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Bill would have lost a lot of detail in the shot if he had taken it from a different perspective. It's also not a dead on shot. It is taken, it appears, from aslightly lower angle than face on, if you want tobe picky about it. I thinkthis is a nice shot that should be in the database.


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Bill:

Good for you, for entering boldly into "my photo is as good as that one" arena.

Usually that's a bad idea and several people will line up to tell you so (they still may), but in your case, I have to agree with some of the earlier posts, I like your's better. Certainly, there's room to agree, that if either was accepted, so should the other. Don't know on what grounds you should appeal, but I think I'd try anyway. Assuming you're really happy with the shot.
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It's also not a dead on shot. It is taken, it appears, from aslightly lower angle than face on, if you want tobe picky about it.
I'd swear I wrote that! But I can see now that I did not, odd.

Anyway, I'm not personally a fan of the somewhat 'up' angle. All in or all out for me, I guess.
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Bill would have lost a lot of detail in the shot if he had taken it from a different perspective. It's also not a dead on shot. It is taken, it appears, from aslightly lower angle than face on, if you want tobe picky about it. I thinkthis is a nice shot that should be in the database.


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Bill, Nick, read your PMs!
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