Old 09-13-2011, 03:46 AM   #1
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Just had this one rejected for being blurry. http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1035097779

Perhaps it's been too long since I've dealt with a photo submission, but I'm not seeing it. So, I need a few other pairs of eyes to point out the obvious to me and let me know if I can fix it. Thanks for the help!

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Old 09-13-2011, 03:54 AM   #2
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To me, it's pretty obvious that nothing in the image is crisply in focus. (You asked for "the obvious"...)
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Ok. Back to the pictures folder.

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Just to pile on, the first thing I noted was the Amtrak on the nose was not crisp. Could be a sharpening issue, but it looks like a focusing thing to me.
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I like the shot, not sure of the cropping but I have been no good at my own lately. Had a go anyway, sharpened 30/.5/0 PSE7.

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For the train ID, don't just put in "66" (same number as the engine!), put in the right thing, please. If that is CSX track, it would be "CSX P066"
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It looks like a lot of noise reduction was used and then it was sharpened.

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There was no noise reduction - but it was pretty heavily cropped down, so that's probably the issue. I'll let it go. As far as reporting the train, out of curiosity, if its CSX PO66, what does it become when it leaves CSX rails and enters the NEC?

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There was no noise reduction - but it was pretty heavily cropped down, so that's probably the issue. I'll let it go. As far as reporting the train, out of curiosity, if its CSX PO66, what does it become when it leaves CSX rails and enters the NEC?

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I have no idea!

I have just looked at recent Amtrak shots on RP, and the numbering/naming is all over the board, no consistency at all, NEC or otherwise.

So my previous belief is incorrect, and I take back the comment. But I would like to see something more informative than just "66", just as for an engine number - and this I am sure of! - you don't just give the number, you give the railroad, as in CSXT 7521 or some such. Just doing 7521 is bad RP form.

For my NEC shots I did AMTK xxx but that is hardly authoritative. I thought I was copying the general pattern, but I guess not. And, looking further, my non-NEC Amtrak shots are not consistently identified either. I even have a CSX-located Amtrak shot that is AMTK P029 instead of CSX P029. Aargh!

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I have no idea!

I have just looked at recent Amtrak shots on RP, and the numbering/naming is all over the board, no consistency at all, NEC or otherwise.

So my previous belief is incorrect, and I take back the comment. But I would like to see something more informative than just "66", just as for an engine number - and this I am sure of! - you don't just give the number, you give the railroad, as in CSXT 7521 or some such. Just doing 7521 is bad RP form.

For my NEC shots I did AMTK xxx but that is hardly authoritative. I thought I was copying the general pattern, but I guess not. And, looking further, my non-NEC Amtrak shots are not consistently identified either. I even have a CSX-located Amtrak shot that is AMTK P029 instead of CSX P029. Aargh!

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Most of my photos have no train information at all, because I'm not enough of a railfan (apparently, anyway) to know the ID info for the trains I photograph on modern Class 1 roads. I don't use a scanner, so I can't get the info that way either. And of course when it comes to tourist railroads, what is the proper etiquette anyway?

When it comes to Amtrak, I would think the number - 66 is this case - is informative. If you look at Amtrak's timetables, that's how you'll find it listed. In this case the train number happened to coincide with the locomotive number - a pleasant coincidence. However, if someone can point me to the correct rule for identifying an Amtrak train ID for RP purposes, I'll be happy to follow it for the benefit of others.

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The issue is search. If I am looking at a picture labelled CSXT 7521, I can click on that and see all the shots on RP that report that engine. If I click on 66 in the train slot, what do I get? A mess.

Of course, as the train ID field is essentially unorganized on RP, at least in terms of passenger trains, the benefit of any one of us starting to follow some particular system is pretty small.

I personally take a modest interest in train numbers and in engines. I try to record the info anyway because I know others are much more interested.
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...... the Amtrak on the nose was not crisp.

You could fix it, but the whole nose is slightly out of focus.
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The issue is search. If I am looking at a picture labelled CSXT 7521, I can click on that and see all the shots on RP that report that engine. If I click on 66 in the train slot, what do I get? A mess.

Of course, as the train ID field is essentially unorganized on RP, at least in terms of passenger trains, the benefit of any one of us starting to follow some particular system is pretty small.

I personally take a modest interest in train numbers and in engines. I try to record the info anyway because I know others are much more interested.
Another annoying thing is when people enter the train date as part of the ID (ex: Q541-22) which makes it impossible to crossreference. I guess its technically correct but defeats the point of having a separate field for train ID.
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My understanding is that the train ID is AMT 66 17... CSX calls it CSX PO66 17.

Note that Amtrak train IDs do not use Amtrak reporting marks, but rather an abbreviation. If you are to follow the rules of RP, that state that you need to put in the reporting marks and the symbol, that would actually make it AMTK AMT 66 17, which seems a bit unweildy.

As to the dislike of using the dates in the symbol, I understand the frustation that causes, but the date is part of the symbol. I've gone back and forth on that myself.
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Another annoying thing is when people enter the train date as part of the ID (ex: Q541-22) which makes it impossible to crossreference. I guess its technically correct but defeats the point of having a separate field for train ID.
I think I may have entered the date like you listed above a time or two, but for the most part I try to avoid that. It's really irrelevant info as far as I'm concerned, even though the date of the train is often off a day or two from the actual date of the photograph (pretty common with coal trains in my area).
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My understanding is that the train ID is AMT 66 17... CSX calls it CSX PO66 17.

Note that Amtrak train IDs do not use Amtrak reporting marks, but rather an abbreviation. If you are to follow the rules of RP, that state that you need to put in the reporting marks and the symbol, that would actually make it AMTK AMT 66 17, which seems a bit unweildy.

As to the dislike of using the dates in the symbol, I understand the frustation that causes, but the date is part of the symbol. I've gone back and forth on that myself.
It is but it negates the purpose of having a separate train ID field, I normally enter the train id without symbol in the field and then put the full symbol with the date in the caption.
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I just have to jump in here and say that personally, I find it a little annoying when people enter false information. They may not realize it, but sometimes it's incredible how insanely wrong they are!

Oh, and while I'm at it, there's a box for the caption for a reason.. USE IT!

Irrelevant to the topic? Possibly.
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I just have to jump in here and say that personally, I find it a little annoying when people enter false information.
That's because you are a silly train geek.
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