Old 06-12-2008, 06:05 PM   #1
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Hi guys!!

Please explain the issues of "bad angle" and "bad cropping" with this photo.

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I have seen lots of accepted photos on the site that looked similar to this one in terms of composition and cropping...I am baffled!!

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Old 06-12-2008, 06:30 PM   #2
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The train is too close to you, that's where the cropping issue comes from ( I think)
The angle... I don't know but I suppose it would have worked out better if you were further away from the train. Don't get me wrong, but this is an "all-train" picture, the train is the first thing the eyes get to see!

Plus, I think the image is a bit over-exposed, nothing that Photoshop won't fix
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:35 PM   #3
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Maybe it is just me, maybe not, but I seem to be noticing some 'motion blur' on the nose. If so, not very much, but enough for my eyes to pick up on. Also, the train has no breathing space, is very close and seems slightly overexposed. Nothing very interesting about the shot. A close-up wedgie of an Amtrak with mediocre lighting and questionable scenery. I'd say to let this one drop.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:22 AM   #4
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Do you really need another shot of Amtrak at that location on RP?
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:54 AM   #5
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If you shot one before this one it may be the one to get in, It's there taste you have to please even if you like this one better. Same if submitting to Trains or other mag its all about giving them what they need and or want.
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I think that the angle you chose was to limited. What I mean by this is that no matter what you do, there will be too much train left. I don't like it with the whole train, as it seems to be going upwards, and if you cropped on, say, the second car, you would have too much sky/trees above the train, then above the locomotive you would have too little space. A panorama attempt would leave too much space in the backround, and way too little space in the front of the shot. Also, too much depth of field on an Amtrak train is uninteresting. Alo, like alstom, I see some blur, specifically on the coupler. My evidence is as is below.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:57 AM   #7
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It seems like you're trying to get a really tight, close-up angle, like this shot:

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The main issue I see with it is that, looking at it compared to my photo, the composition is off. There's too little space in front of the train and too much behind it (notice that mine cuts off as soon as it can, using the bush as a borderline). Also, as previously mentioned, the nose is a bit soft and could use a little additional sharpening (looks fixable if you start over to me).

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Old 06-16-2008, 04:02 AM   #8
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Carl, yours is a perfect example of a good wide angle, close up wedgie. I think the problem with the P42 is the nose looks oddly distorted when you do a wide angle too close. It's just not attractive at all.
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:47 AM   #9
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Thanks guys for your help!!
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Old 06-16-2008, 06:51 AM   #10
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I agree with Jim, a wide-angle shot just doesn't work for this type of locomotive. Try taking it again with just a bit more zoom and I do not think you should have any problems getting it in.
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Old 06-16-2008, 06:38 PM   #11
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Quote:
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I agree with Jim, a wide-angle shot just doesn't work for this type of locomotive.
Unless you can do it from a distance, such as -

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I'm not sure if the rejected shot that started this thread is at the same location as amtkboy's avatar, but if it is, the shot could be taken at more of an angle like the shot above. However, than that is pretty much duplicating the avatar exactly (except for the engine and car numbers probably), and a new location probably should get tried out...

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Old 06-16-2008, 11:06 PM   #12
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Unless you can do it from a distance, such as -
I was referring to wide angle close ups. Of course, wide angle from a distance looks fine.
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