Old 11-30-2011, 08:42 PM   #26
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Chase, your not really missing much by not being invloved with film developing and printing.

It was time consuming, expensive and at times frustrating.

I rather enjoy not having to devote a portion of my living space to a darkroom - or having to borrow and/or rent space in someones else's.

I don't miss all the vats of chemicals and waiting for things to develop and dry etc.

I have always been interested in the results of the process (the pictures) not the process itself and therefore I am quite happy to see the results in mere minutes rather than hours or days.

Additionally, I am much more willing to try new things because the buy-in is almost negligible with regard to materials and time.

The whole James Stewart adventure is an example of that. http://www.flickr.com/photos/3672212...7625641192653/

Back in the 80's (when I was doing this) a box of color print paper was $10-20, film $2-10 a roll and the chemicals were $20-40 a batch, so just in materials alone, the by-in was substantial, not to mention the time.

Additionally, you still sent your roll of the family Christmas photos to Fotomat because printing 30 5x7's was very time consuming.

It was the "art" stuff that people did, and still do by hand whether it be large format, or you want to "manipulate" the original image in some way.

Again, my point in all this is that some people believe that an image is "manipulated" if there is some post processing involved - and my point being, is that there was always some post processing "manipulation."

I do think that people should take a basic photography class or at least read a book before they get frustrated on this web site.

I spent four years in high school doing photo and graphic arts and it provided a foundation for what I do today.

And for the record, I am not attempting to make my living as a photographer, but that is a career choice.

I am sure that had I chosen that path, I could have done well up until the digital age which seems at this point to be the end of that line of work as it was known.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:50 PM   #27
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film has a couple of advantages:

1. projecting slides is pretty damn cool.
2. when the nuclear winter comes, your film will likely be safe in the basement for future generations to enjoy.

oh yeah, one more
3. you can get "pro" level gear for pennies on the dollar.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:55 PM   #28
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1. projecting slides is pretty damn cool.
Yeah, but digital projects are getting cheaper every year.

Hmm, just went to Amazon, they are cheaper than I remembered! Anyone know, what is the lowest price point to get into something of decent quality?
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:03 PM   #29
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I don't think digital projectors can compare..at least not for less than many thousands of $$$s.

Here's a leica for $12,000. I have a leica analog projector I bought for less than $100.

http://www.dalephotoanddigital.com/_..._Projector.htm
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Why waste my time with this?

Reject it once for cropping, then too dark? Really? Is it that hard to click both buttons the first time?

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Why waste my time with this?

Reject it once for cropping, then too dark? Really? Is it that hard to click both buttons the first time?

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Now cropping again, im going to bed... let this one sit for a few days.

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Needs more enhancing.

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I'm getting to kinda like it....progress. But that and a nickel will getcha a five cent seegar in this place. And that Flanary guy will getcha into trouble.
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Needs more on the bottom.

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Needs "mudflap girl"
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Is mudflap girl still popular in FL?

It was a big thing in LA about 5-10 years ago, along with the Brahma bull sticker on the side of the pickup and the hats on the back window.

Now it is popular to put what state you come from in big graphic letters on the back window.
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Now it is popular to put what state you come from in big graphic letters on the back window.
I don't know if this is something that's just an "Appalachian thing"---but I notice a lot of vehicles with vinyl lettering on the back window with something like: "In Loving Memory of Virgil Q. Festuswood, a Wonderful Father and Friend 1935-2011"

Really....is that necessary??
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I don't know if this is something that's just an "Appalachian thing"---but I notice a lot of vehicles with vinyl lettering on the back window with something like: "In Loving Memory of Virgil Q. Festuswood, a Wonderful Father and Friend 1935-2011"

Really....is that necessary??

They do that here, but it is more popular with certain ethnic groups and the dates tend to correspond to much younger people.

People also like to create shrines along side the road or the tracks to mark and/or commemorate the exact spot where the subject decedent escaped the mortal coil so to speak.

I always wonder if that is necessary since especially in the case of a suicide, it might serve to trap the unfortunate soul to that spot and not allow it to move on.

I would think that would really suck.
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They do that here, but it is more popular with certain ethnic groups and the dates tend to correspond to much younger people.
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I frequently pass a "death site" along a highway that is probably the most complex one I've ever seen. It actually looks like it should be in a cemetery. It has a full bark bed about 6 feet wide and several small trees along with the memorial for the deceased person. It probably took several hours to make, and I don't really understand how the people did it without any police passing by. I'm often tempted to stop and take a picture of it.
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Exclamation Shrines

In California, CalTrans will let these sit there for 6 months and then they are removed, unless they pose a safety hazard.

Many of these seem to persist for years, especially if one jurisdiction is not sure who's dirt the thing is on.

Some are political statements which I totally understand such as this one:

Fullerton Shrine

Here, the shrine is in the City of Fullerton, but it is located on County property, so Fullerton ain't going to touch it and the County don't care because it is a long way from Santa Ana which is the seat of county government.
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Some are political statements which I totally understand such as this one:

Fullerton Shrine
I looked at the larger shot and didn't notice any political statement. What does it say?
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It is an ongoing issue that happened adjacent to the Fullerton train station.

In a nut shell, a mentally ill homeless guy was beat to death by the cops over 4th of July weekend.

Now, two of the cops are on trial, one for 2nd degree murder and the other for voluntary manslaughter.

Additionally, certain members of the Fullerton City council are facing a recall vote and this made national news during the summer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas
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It is an ongoing issue that happened adjacent to the Fullerton train station.
That's gotta be one of the most horrible stories I've heard in a long time.
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Is mudflap girl still popular in FL?

It was a big thing in LA about 5-10 years ago, along with the Brahma bull sticker on the side of the pickup and the hats on the back window.

Now it is popular to put what state you come from in big graphic letters on the back window.
Slender ladies with huge cans never go out of style...

As far as "mudflap girl" goes, you really only see them on older trucks, rigs, etc anymore. I have seen those "in memory of" things all over the place. Many states, all races. Mostly on trucks and jobbed out civic's.

In that other shot, it just came to me, I thought it would be the perfect reflection.

At any rate, I got one more attempt at this picture, who knows...
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When I used to drive big rigs back in the '70s and early '80s those mudflap girls were everywhere. One of the best uses for chrome imaginable!
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When I used to drive big rigs back in the '70s and early '80s those mudflap girls were everywhere. One of the best uses for chrome imaginable!
This is one of the best uses of chrome ever...

http://www.amazon.com/X-Pole-Xpert-5.../dp/B001K202IC



But yea, those, CB's, yosemite sam mudflaps too, but the stripper mudflap was much better.

And THIS!!

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Is that really the original mix/arrangement? I just do not remember the lame backup singing or the strings in the background. It can't be ...
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There was always lame backup singing. There are at least 2 versions of the song, one of them has lamer backup singers than the other, and slightly different lyrics.

I dont remember which was actually in the movie.

I just remember Aly Mcgraw being pretty sexy in the movie

(the other version)
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