Old 11-30-2011, 12:53 AM   #1
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When I took this, I thought it was kind of moody and the way the backlight lit up the mountains in the background looked cool. Obviously no nose light, I figured after I got home and started processing these that it likely would get rejected, so I kind of just let it sit there.

But then I saw this photo Travis submitted, and even people on OBSCAR are gushing all over it, I immediately thought of my shot and the similarities. It's obviously not identical, but different in it's own way.
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Am I off base here, does this shot have any potential? Keep in mind this is straight of the camera, just converted to jpeg, no other processing.

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Old 11-30-2011, 01:03 AM   #2
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It's a nice shot. The left side is a little messy, but with some processing, why not. What have you got to lose?

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I did a quick edit of the photo through CS5 and I see some potential. Nice clouds and the splash of color helps. My edit is attached.

Nice photo, Troy.

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Old 11-30-2011, 01:10 AM   #4
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Looks good, Chase. Now when Troy copies your edit and you screen his shot, you need to reject it for "poor lighting."
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Looks good, Chase. How when Troy copies your edit and you screen his shot, you need to reject it for "poor lighting."
You laugh but that's why I didn't submit it. I figured it would just instantly get the cloudy / common button pressed as quick as it made it into the queue.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:21 AM   #6
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Yes, it definitely has potential. I toyed with it in PSE and came up with some nice versions. However, without a single perfectly perpendicular pole, they may hit you with "unlevel"
I'd like to see it make it in. Go for it!

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However, without a single perfectly perpendicular pole, they may hit you with "unlevel"
I'd like to see it make it in. Go for it!

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Yeah, it does appear to be leaning to the left. I'd level it off the nose of the loco (the door line) or the horizontal of the signal tower in the background.
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I'm not a particular fan, and it doesn't really go in the same territory as Travis' (of which I am also not a particular fan, and regarding which I have not sought out the benefits of the Obscar discussion). Travis has a dollop of light on the nose, which takes the eye there; yours has light on the ridge, which takes the eye away from the train. And of course the poles ...

Between the poles and the cars, the left side seems to compete with the right, whereas in Travis' they are more complementary.
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No, you all have it al wrong: I give you my night shot of this!

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There's one of those on RP..

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There's one of those on RP..
Are you serious? I must have missed that
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I did a quick edit of the photo through CS5 and I see some potential. Nice clouds and the splash of color helps. My edit is attached.

Nice photo, Troy.

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Wow... and you thought layering number boards was borderline manipulation

Nice processing - must be a feature in Lightroom as I haven't found any filters in Photoshop that turn shade to nicely lit.

What makes Travis's shot work so well is the contrast between very dark skies and surroundings yet a bright well lit nose (and the silky smooth glare on track which in most similar images is full of noise while lacking any contrast).

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What makes Travis's shot work so well is the contrast between very dark skies and surroundings yet a bright well lit nose
You are the 2nd or 3rd to mention something to this affect. Maybe i'm blind, but I don't see a bright, well lit nose in his shot at all. I see a barely lit nose and not too sharp either.

I'm not criticizing his shot at all, just trying to compare and contrast.
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I did something like this....an equally quick edit. Obviously, I see it more as dark and foreboding, except for the window of light on the trees.
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Wow... and you thought layering number boards was borderline manipulation

Nice processing - must be a feature in Lightroom as I haven't found any filters in Photoshop that turn shade to nicely lit.

What makes Travis's shot work so well is the contrast between very dark skies and surroundings yet a bright well lit nose (and the silky smooth glare on track which in most similar images is full of noise while lacking any contrast).

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This is just an example of enhancing what is there and getting the best out of a single exposure. If one was shooting JPEG and had the Saturation to +7 in the presets, you'd have the same result, but is that manipulation? That's simply how the camera captured it!

In this case, I just used a bit of s/h to bring out the detail (no noise, so the detail was there, just needed to be brought out), and I increased the saturation/contrast to make the image "pop", a little bit like the Wyatt photo.

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Where is this, by the way.....Bluefield?
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Where is this, by the way.....Bluefield?
Correct.

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Where is this, by the way.....Bluefield?
Yea, Bluefield, the overpass at the East end of the yard.

Anyone know when they took out that metal bridge at Harding street? It was gone when I was there in March, but still there last January.
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Yea, Bluefield, the overpass at the East end of the yard...
Quick.....let's see the hands of those who where there in the days of regular service steam! Yes....I was (but too young to photograph anything...). It was 1959 and I was 11 years old---steam's last gasp on the N&W.
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This is just an example of enhancing what is there and getting the best out of a single exposure. If one was shooting JPEG and had the Saturation to +7 in the presets, you'd have the same result, but is that manipulation? That's simply how the camera captured it!
I want to make a point about something that Chase has inadvertently stumbled upon since this thread is just about run it's course.....


Back in the days when you shot your own film and printed it, this type of "manipulation" occurred all the time - the varying of exposure, lightness, contrast and color (cyan, yellow and magenta).

You did this with each and every print you made.

You also would "touch up" your negatives to remove scratches, dust and other unsightly things in the frame that now is removed by "cloning."

The object was to make the photo look good, rather than record for unknown historical purposes each and every beer can, cigarette butt and paint scratch on the subject.

Consequently, I don't think any of the "manipulation(s)" taking place above constitute violations of the RP ground rules.

We removed things from the image all the time.

Nothing is being added to the photo that wasn't there to start out with.

Moreover, how the "color" of the image appears is extremely subjective and everyone will see it differently.

Ergo, changing the color cast to fit the "mood" (reference used to keep post on point) cannot be considered a rule violation since everyone will view the mood differently, and as Chase correctly points out, the camera nowadays records all that information.

How the presenter chooses to interpret the image is what is at issue currently, and that is not a "manipulation."

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How the presenter chooses to interpret the image is what is at issue currently, and that is not a "manipulation."
What defines manipulation is a combination of what is in the original image, the photographer, the forum in which it is shown, and the viewers. Not just up to the photographer to choose unilaterally. Or rather, the photographer can choose what they want, and the publisher and viewer choose on their own whether they think it is manipulation in their eyes.
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I want to make a point about something that Chase has inadvertently stumbled upon since this thread is just about run it's course.....


Back in the days when you shot your own film and printed it, this type of "manipulation" occurred all the time - the varying of exposure, lightness, contrast and color (cyan, yellow and magenta).

You did this with each and every print you made.

You also would "touch up" your negatives to remove scratches, dust and other unsightly things in the frame that now is removed by "cloning."

The object was to make the photo look good, rather than record for unknown historical purposes each and every beer can, cigarette butt and paint scratch on the subject.

Consequently, I don't think any of the "manipulation(s)" taking place above constitute violations of the RP ground rules.

We removed things from the image all the time.

Nothing is being added to the photo that wasn't there to start out with.

Moreover, how the "color" of the image appears is extremely subjective and everyone will see it differently.

Ergo, changing the color cast to fit the "mood" (reference used to keep post on point) cannot be considered a rule violation since everyone will view the mood differently, and as Chase correctly points out, the camera nowadays records all that information.

How the presenter chooses to interpret the image is what is at issue currently, and that is not a "manipulation."
I'd love to actually get involved with film just to experience it and understand it. Perhaps by doing so, I'd learn some things to apply towards digital photography. I've always told myself that I'm jokingly thankful I came into the hobby when digital was already well under way, but I've always had a great deal of respect for those who shoot film.

It's a lot easier to call yourself a photographer in today's digital era, than in the film era.. Now everyone is a "photographer".. Digital has made things incredibly easy, and whether or not that's for the best, I don't know.

You really had to understand exposure, composition, color, etc. and have the abilities to process it correctly. Pretty involved stuff!

I'm not sure if I've taken a couple of your statements and gone completely off subject with them or not, but nevertheless, you've brought up some good points.

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