Old 11-28-2011, 12:20 AM   #1
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I didn't know SD40T-3's were all that common anymore. Hmm.. surrounded by decent color even?

I wonder how this got in then:

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Or this?

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Or even this?

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Sometimes the inconsistency just irks me.
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:23 AM   #2
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The scenery is completely gray and washed out, like you went overkill +1 with the shadows tool. Properly edit it, and I think you'll be happier with it, and may get accepted afterwards.

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Old 11-28-2011, 12:29 AM   #3
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The scenery is completely gray and washed out, like you went overkill +1 with the shadows tool. Properly edit it, and I think you'll be happier with it, and may get accepted afterwards.

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I didn't use the shadow tool at all on this one, so now you've got me lost. I brightened it a bit, added some contrast, and boosted the saturation a little.

I see what you're saying though. They could at least reject it for the right reason then.. It may be cloudy, but it's not common.

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More contrast, more saturation...
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Old 11-28-2011, 12:47 AM   #5
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So you can't go out on any given day you are in BLE territory and shoot them? To me that is Common Power.
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Wyatt,

First of all, neat operation. I'd love to get up there and shoot the line sometime. I think Brent might have a valid point in that you can go up there and shoot the locomotives fairly often, in better weather conditions. While overall, the SD40T-3's aren't insanely popular, they're common on that particular railroad and can be shot in better weather conditions, especially from an angle as common as yours.

The other three examples of the accepted photos display a bit more of a unique composition, incorporating some of the surroundings, etc.

Your photo is a bit more of a common angle that would look pretty darn cool in full sunlight with those vibrant engines.

My opinion. Diggin' your signal shots as of lately.

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:21 AM   #7
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Wyatt,

First of all, neat operation. I'd love to get up there and shoot the line sometime. I think Brent might have a valid point in that you can go up there and shoot the locomotives fairly often, in better weather conditions. While overall, the SD40T-3's aren't insanely popular, they're common on that particular railroad and can be shot in better weather conditions, especially from an angle as common as yours.

The other three examples of the accepted photos display a bit more of a unique composition, incorporating some of the surroundings, etc.

Your photo is a bit more of a common angle that would look pretty darn cool in full sunlight with those vibrant engines.

My opinion. Diggin' your signal shots as of lately.

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Oh tunnel motors are pretty popular...maybe not to you GE loving hicks up in Virgaynah... jokes i got jokes
Those GE loving hicks are stuck with the power the railroad owns and sends their way...

You want to see old junk power, come down my way or some of the low density lines of Georgia and SC.

And I still dont understand you comparing your shot to the 3 examples provided, they are very apples and oranges...

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:31 AM   #9
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The other three examples of the accepted photos display a bit more of a unique composition, incorporating some of the surroundings, etc.
I agree. The other three shots are great shots even with the cloud cover. The rejection, on the other hand, is kind of a bland angle that can be repeated any day.
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Wyatt,

First of all, neat operation. I'd love to get up there and shoot the line sometime. I think Brent might have a valid point in that you can go up there and shoot the locomotives fairly often, in better weather conditions. While overall, the SD40T-3's aren't insanely popular, they're common on that particular railroad and can be shot in better weather conditions, especially from an angle as common as yours.

The other three examples of the accepted photos display a bit more of a unique composition, incorporating some of the surroundings, etc.

Your photo is a bit more of a common angle that would look pretty darn cool in full sunlight with those vibrant engines.

My opinion. Diggin' your signal shots as of lately.

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Perhaps it's just because this shot was my favorite from the day. I guess you would have had to be there to really understand, there were a lot of other factors that went into that shot that you can't really see.

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Old 11-28-2011, 01:35 AM   #11
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More contrast, more saturation...
I like the shot as it is. You guys are venturing into fake-n-bake territory with all this contrast alteration, and increased saturation stuff.

What happened to honesty in photography? And speaking of honesty....this is a good shot, and it should have been accepted.

Common? Hardly. Go back when the sun is shining? Please.....get real, folks. The sun doesn't shine in the real world every day.
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I like the shot as it is. You guys are venturing into fake-n-bake territory with all this contrast alteration, and increased saturation stuff.
It doesn't have to be pushed to "candyland" levels every time. A little added contrast and saturation would help it a lot. Too much would make it over the top. Like some of Joe's shots have been lately.
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I like the shot. More interesting than others that were accepted today. The cloudy conditions take nothing away from the photo IMO.
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Thanks guys.. I don't understand all the hooplah crap about clouds either. Clouds can be a pain, but in some cases they help out! Fall colors surely pop more in clouds than in full sunlight.

I'm going to agree that it should have gotten in, but I guess that's not my call.

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It doesn't have to be pushed to "candyland" levels every time. A little added contrast and saturation would help it a lot. Too much would make it over the top. Like some of Joe's shots have been lately.
Agreed with Troy. In the digital era, post processing really adds the final touch to a photograph, especially when one shoots in RAW. A recent thread really displayed some valid facts when it comes to post processing and how essential it is in this era. That said, it would certainly be worth the time and effort at least fiddling around with the saturation/contrast.

Editing a photo is just as easy at capturing one in the digital age.

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"Poor lighting (Cloudy): Common angle cloudy day shots of common/standard power are generally not accepted". What a silly reason for a rejection. I like blue skies as much as anyone but I'd consider it more rare than a cloudy day.

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BINGO.

The train looks good to me. Vegetation surrounding it could use a little more contrast. Otherwise, looks like a keeper to me.
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I wonder how this got in then:

Or this?

Or even this?

Sometimes the inconsistency just irks me.
You picked three examples that all have better scenery, editing, and composition. It is very possible to get cloudy shots on RP no matter what the power is. The shot just has to be great in every other aspect. Yours isn't. Sorry but I just don't see your argument with this one.
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The issue here is the difference between a perfectly proficient photo and the preferences that RP has for what they want to display on their website. I believe the rejection isn't for common power, but instead the overcast nature of the image. Generally speaking, RP simply doesn't like that stuff unless it's incorporated into the image creatively. A common composition in generic cloudy weather usually won't make it here, which is not at all to say that the shot in question is junk. As has been pointed out repeatedly in these forums, the gatekeepers have their own preferences for what's acceptable and what doesn't belong, and this submission fails their sniff test. (Personally, I like it for what it is, though I would have snipped a bit more off the right to eliminate foliage elements that don't contribute anything to the image.)
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Well lookie here..

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Boosted the saturation and contrast. I'm glad it's on!
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Going Candyland seems to have worked. Unfortunate.

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Going Candyland seems to have worked. Unfortunate.
Don't see any Candyland going on here, Brad... just a slight boost of the contrast and saturation, which makes the previously dull nose "pop" a bit more.
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Well lookie here..
Boosted the saturation and contrast. I'm glad it's on!
Nice edit, Wyatt. And the slightly tighter crop works well, too.
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I think there was a happy medium in between where he was, to where he ended up. It's a tad much IMHO.
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What's wrong with candy? Actually, I think it looks pretty close to reality. But, then again "My reality check bounced".
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Looks pretty accurate.
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