Old 02-01-2014, 11:24 PM   #1
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I happened to look at the latest Danneman SC and thinking to myself, no big deal! To my surprise, a quick search suggests that view has never appeared on RP before. Still, while it is a pretty enough shot, it does seem like a dime a dozen out-west curves shot to me, summer mid day light on the harsh side.

I don't begrudge the SC; those are a matter of taste and it isn't my site. But looking at it made me think - what do I want to see in an SC. Well, I decided to start a thread to feature shots that we think should be SCs. Some might be ones the screeners just missed or had a brain hiccup or something. Others might be those that, judging from experience, the current screeners would pretty much never choose because those shots don't fit within their preferences. I am more interested in the latter. I'll start by showing one of the latter.

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Frost, color, nicely blurred caboose, interesting side light, solid composition. I really like it. I would have screened it as an SC.

But that is just me. How about you?

(I suppose this might end up as a variant on the recent "going unnoticed" thread. But that is more a matter of missed views/comments, this is maybe a little different. Maybe not.

And I'm not looking to beat up on the screeners. Tastes vary. This is more about potential SCs that simply didn't fit the SC mold. Not screener mistakes but rather what a different set of screeners might choose.)
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Old 02-01-2014, 11:40 PM   #2
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I'd like to see something like an SC based not on the personal tastes and preferences /biases of 5 screeners, but instead based on universal merit. Such criteria would be hard to define but the parameters would certainly be inclusive of luck, challenge and creativity. In a nut shell, universally appealing shots that would be very difficult to duplicate or are the first of thier kind.

Since the EC is not being used, it could be that, or perhaps in addtion to that with a name change.

Janusz - I'm affraid your well intentioned thread will show just why SC's are what they are as you'll likely find everything under the sun from roster shots to wrecks being apt for SC selection. Take note of Jean-Marc's latest shot - one commentor of this rather generic, though impressive roster wedge shot suggests it's potential for a PC.

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I had similar feelings on the shot. The tree on the left looks oddly cut off, the shadow middle right bothers me. And there's nothing special about the shot. It's a shot anyone could take, any day of the week. I don't know anything about this location, maybe it's hard to get to, or on private property? That might make it a challenge, but regardless, a rather normal looking shot. Are they rewarding hiking skills or supterfuge or the photo's merit? Maybe they feel the need to reward them so they stick around?
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Derek, I was hoping for more "alternate paradigm" stuff, as opposed to missed stuff which I think your tread is about. And I did mention your thread by name here.

Mitch, "universally appealing" can quickly drift into mainstream and also into conventional. Wedgies are universally appealing. I am OK with the screeners having a little fun; choosing SCs is one of the perks of their efforts. I just wish they had a broader perspective, and used the SC to encourage a greater range here.
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Mitch, "universally appealing" can quickly drift into mainstream and also into conventional.
You overlooked key parts of my suggestion above:

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...universally appealing shots that would be very difficult to duplicate or are the first of their kind.
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Think POTW /PC type images. I think we can agree they generally have universal appeal. Just because those may not have charmed a particular screener, several, but not all, (including PC's #5, 6, 7 ect) fit the description I am trying to describe.

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Derek, I was hoping for more "alternate paradigm" stuff, as opposed to missed stuff which I think your tread is about. And I did mention your thread by name here.
Gotcha. And I didn't even notice that the first time I read through it. Lol.
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I just wanted add a couple of corrections to some statements in this thread about the recent SC photograph.

Janusz: The photo is not a midday image. It was photographed at 4:54 p.m.

Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!

Honestly, I’m not trying to defend the quality of the photo, or do I want to get into if it deserves a SC or not. As Janusz said, It’s “a matter of taste and it isn't my site.” I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions… Thanks!

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Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!
Wow. Mike, it is clear you do your research on every shot you take. I couldn't bring myself to say I didn't like one of your photos. Lol.
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I just wanted add a couple of corrections to some statements in this thread about the recent SC photograph.

Janusz: The photo is not a midday image. It was photographed at 4:54 p.m.

Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!

Honestly, I’m not trying to defend the quality of the photo, or do I want to get into if it deserves a SC or not. As Janusz said, It’s “a matter of taste and it isn't my site.” I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions… Thanks!

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OK I'm confused, Mike, why are you posting a message under Carl Massart profile? just curious
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OK I'm confused, Mike, why are you posting a message under Carl Massart profile? just curious
I guess I’m confused as well, since it doesn’t show me using another profile on this end. It says it’s posted by “Moffat Road.” Anything I should be looking for?

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I just wanted add a couple of corrections to some statements in this thread about the recent SC photograph.

Janusz: The photo is not a midday image. It was photographed at 4:54 p.m.

Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!


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Mike, you forgot to mention that it helps to live nearby such photogenic locations..

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I guess I’m confused as well, since it doesn’t show me using another profile on this end. It says it’s posted by “Moffat Road.” Anything I should be looking for?

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Ok I see what I did, I was in the profile section and must of clicked on visitor messages and that took me to a another profile
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Frost, color, nicely blurred caboose, interesting side light, solid composition. I really like it. I would have screened it as an SC.

But that is just me. How about you?

This reminded me of your RailPixCritic blog when you compared the brake wheels,
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Nya ha! A pattern!
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Another thing I forgot to mention is how little time per year the landscape around Big 10 Curve is green—similar conditions here as to what happens on Tehachapi.

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Anytime I see a photo from Big 10 I think "If only the loops at Claypool, WV on the old NF&G weren't treed in"...





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I just wanted add a couple of corrections to some statements in this thread about the recent SC photograph.

Janusz: The photo is not a midday image. It was photographed at 4:54 p.m.

Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!

Honestly, I’m not trying to defend the quality of the photo, or do I want to get into if it deserves a SC or not. As Janusz said, It’s “a matter of taste and it isn't my site.” I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions… Thanks!
Having been to the BTC several times (but not this particular spot), I can appreciate the location and what it took for you to get there, the green and the flowers, as well as the PERFECT sun angle (J needs his monitor checked for "harshness" issues. ). I may have included a little more of the tree on the left, but we all have our own visions as to what looks the best.
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Troy: You cannot take this photo anytime of the week. It is best on the longest days of the year, late in the afternoon, but not too late that the shadows from mountain behind start crossing the ROW, and in clear atmospheric conditions. AND you have to have a train at the right time. You do have to hike in, and it is from public open space. I guess it’s okay, Troy, if you feel, “there's nothing special about the shot.” Everyone has different tastes and this is what makes the world go ’round!
It's not a bad shot at all. In fact it's a very good shot. You have few if any "bad" shots, that goes without saying. But just in my opinion I am not sure it is exception to the point of being a SC. I think that was what I was getting to.

As to "can be taken any day", I dont know the area, I will defer to someone who has been there done that.
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Upon further review, Jim T, I will agree that the sun is fine. Was fooled by the shadows on some of the cars and by the general dryness of the desert. Still doesn't hit my personal SC level, but I did happen to notice just now that I still haven't been designated a screener.

At any rate, I regret having even mentioned the Danneman shot since it had little to do with my theme and could have been omitted - it was mentioned because it was part of my chain of thought while online. As a result the thread headed off in a different direction than I would have liked, but then that is the internet sometimes.
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At any rate, I regret having even mentioned the Danneman shot since it had little to do with my theme...
Interesting. Usually these threads don't go off track until the second or third response, lol.

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danneman shot is good. all tree and it would be a photo of a tree. no tree and photo would lack depth.
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The question should not have been why the Big 10 Curve shot was an SC, but why the following shot was not an SC.
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This shot will obviously get a PCA, but how did the screeners not click the "Screener's Choice" box when accepting this? This is one of the best fall shots I've seen in a long time.
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