Old 10-29-2005, 04:33 PM   #1
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Now that the sun is much lower and there are ALOT more shadows showing around here I have a question...

If I shoot a train and the units are fully lite but there are shadows from say tree's and the telegraph poles, would that be rejected? Obviously if you have a big black line over the cab or something it would be rejected.

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Old 10-29-2005, 05:32 PM   #2
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My guess would be yes.




This was rejected for distracting shadows. I even 'lightened' up the shadow in PS to no avial.
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I've had so many rejected for shadows, my wife used to warn me on my drive home from work to be careful of "Distracting Shadows." She thought it was hilarious.

Just try to get in a spot where the shadows don't climb up onto the lead unit. Here's an example that was rejected:
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As you can see, the shadows crept up onto the pilot, and all over the trailing unit.
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:54 PM   #4
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Now that the sun is much lower and there are ALOT more shadows showing around here I have a question...
I was thinking about this yesterday. The pros to fall/winter (and sometimes spring) up nort' here is: "no high sun" shots. But the shadows and the shorter hours of sunlight quickly took the wind out of my sail.
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The pros to fall/winter (and sometimes spring) up nort' here is: "no high sun" shots. But the shadows and the shorter hours of sunlight quickly took the wind out of my sail.
Come over to North Dakota then: no trees = no shadows
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Shadows on the engine or shadows in the foreground that take away your attention from the train can both be cause for rejection.

This one has a distracting shadow. I should have stepped over to the side to get rid of it, but forgot it was there. This is an example where it does not have to be on the locomotive (or train in this case.) Notice how it draws your attention from the train. Had I captured this shadow in a shot of the engines, I would not even give the screeners the chance to reject it, even though they may accept it anyway.

My advice, look ahead of time for shadows.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...aspx?id=212779

A second earlier, I took this shot, in which I made sure this shadow was not in the picture.....

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...aspx?id=212778
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I believe you mean shots with shadows like this:

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I would say not if it is composed carefully including more than just the train; something more interesting in the shot to take focus away fromt he shadows.
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I believe you mean shots with shadows like this:

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I would say not if it is composed carefully including more than just the train; something more interesting in the shot to take focus away fromt he shadows.

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I agree with Dan and Andrew. My rule of thumb is if the shot is more nosey and the lead unit is fine and at least a good portion of the second then you are fine. Here are some from yesterday:

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I did find a lot better angle near there but I didn't try it as the unique feature (pond in foreground) was shadowed by a mountain.... likewise I tried other things instead.

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