Old 01-16-2018, 05:17 PM   #1
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After being dormant for some years, I'm back, got new Mac Pro laptop. I've got to learn its features. I've submitted a dozen photos, four made it. Two sent fo appeal. How do I get the appeal's results? How do I post the photo?

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Old 01-16-2018, 06:34 PM   #2
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Rejected photos can be shared with the link as you did above. I agree with the first rejection for unlevel, look at the steeple. I always get appeal results as an email, not sure if you can see it in the members section anywhere, but I have never had a successful appeal.

An accepted photo can be shared in the forums using the format [photoid=XXXXXX] using the 6 digit photo id number.
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:52 PM   #3
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After being dormant for some years, I'm back, got new Mac Pro laptop. I've got to learn its features. I've submitted a dozen photos, four made it. Two sent fo appeal. How do I get the appeal's results? How do I post the photo?

1630870
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...70&key=1175985
1630858
http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1515962408.jpg
Appeal results should be sent to your email account. Need to make sure that is still correct
To post your photo that is accepted
[photoid=XXXXXX]

There have been cautionary notes about too many appeals, not sure if that still holds. I may have been on the edge even tho some of my higher views have been on appeal. I sometimes appeal on the spur, you should wait and take another look later.

I have been using the built in RAW tool in photo shop to straighten images, works pretty well. On your image it say leaning right so rotate enough to the left to get the steeple and light pole upright(maybe .5), they are tilted, or use a distortion tool if you think the problem is only on the edge.

You will need to go back before sized to 1200 as you will now need to crop.

Hope that helps.

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Old 01-16-2018, 08:39 PM   #4
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Thanks to both of you. Its coming back to me. The expressway shot was tilted. There two duplications and the wrong was sent. The curve shot was corrected and resent.

While I have your attention, these two ran afoul of the "thirds". Our tracks are quite close so staying out of the middle is hard. The surface crossing as another problem...if I move the train to the right, the picture goes over the 2mb limit. Any ideas?

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1515991286.jpg



http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1516059266.jpg

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I wouldn't appeal any of those
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Old 01-16-2018, 11:31 PM   #6
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Thanks to both of you. Its coming back to me. The expressway shot was tilted. There two duplications and the wrong was sent. The curve shot was corrected and resent.

While I have your attention, these two ran afoul of the "thirds". Our tracks are quite close so staying out of the middle is hard. The surface crossing as another problem...if I move the train to the right, the picture goes over the 2mb limit. Any ideas?

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1515991286.jpg



http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1516059266.jpg

Thanks. DH
I like the first one. The right side of the second doesn't have much going on.

Enforcement of the Commandment of Thirds has always been arbitrary...
Image © Matt Landry
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Photograph © Matt Landry
Image © J.A. Muscarella
PhotoID: 644753
Photograph © J.A. Muscarella
Image © Frank Jolin
PhotoID: 644680
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My best advice, David.....avoid appealing. More people have gotten themselves in dutch with the RP Admins by appealing too much. Two appeals on 4 photos submitted so far is already too much. I've been on RP for 10 years and I think I've appealed maybe a dozen times total, and never in rapid succession. I have not appealed in years.

Submit 'em and see what the results are. If the issues are correctable, do ONE re-submission, explaining what you did. If the shot gets kicked again, put it aside and move on. The key thing is to not create so much activity that the screener's start to take notice. Keep a low profile.....it works.
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After being dormant for some years, I'm back, got new Mac Pro laptop. I've got to learn its features. I've submitted a dozen photos, four made it. Two sent fo appeal. How do I get the appeal's results? How do I post the photo?

1630870
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...70&key=1175985
1630858
http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1515962408.jpg



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While I have your attention, these two ran afoul of the "thirds". Our tracks are quite close so staying out of the middle is hard. The surface crossing as another problem...if I move the train to the right, the picture goes over the 2mb limit. Any ideas?

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1515991286.jpg



http://www.railpictures.net/images/d...1516059266.jpg

Thanks. DH
Whatever you did with the very first rejection image link, do it again for the next three photos. None of them are taking us to the rejection page like the first link did.
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I have not appealed in years.
Nor have I, but mostly because it's a waste of time...
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Whatever you did with the very first rejection image link, do it again for the next three photos. None of them are taking us to the rejection page like the first link did.
I clicked the picture and drew it over here and here it is.


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not sure where you are getting that, don't dowload the rejection, or click on it?

click on the rejection, when the full rejection is on the page then copy the URL
and post it here, drag your cursor over the URL at the top of the screen, you do not want a jpg extension, just a location like the first one.

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My best advice, David.....avoid appealing. More people have gotten themselves in dutch with the RP Admins by appealing too much. Two appeals on 4 photos submitted so far is already too much. I've been on RP for 10 years and I think I've appealed maybe a dozen times total, and never in rapid succession. I have not appealed in years.

Submit 'em and see what the results are. If the issues are correctable, do ONE re-submission, explaining what you did. If the shot gets kicked again, put it aside and move on. The key thing is to not create so much activity that the screener's start to take notice. Keep a low profile.....it works.
Kevin,

I agree, with the modification that I never appeal subjective rejections. I have been a magnet for unlevel rejections. I always double-check the image that I submitted, and if all of my reference verticals are correct, I don't hesitate to appeal with a polite explanation. I appealed one last night and it's currently on the front page:

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If the rejection is more subjective, like composition or color/hue, I attempt corrections, but I never appeal these.
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I agree, with the modification that I never appeal subjective rejections. I have been a magnet for unlevel rejections. I always double-check the image that I submitted, and if all of my reference verticals are correct, I don't hesitate to appeal with a polite explanation. I appealed one last night and it's currently on the front page:

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I just looked up my stats. I'm a Mechanical Engineer....I track everything. Since 10/31/2008, I have filed 15 appeals on RP. 14 were accepted. One was rejected. The rejected one was associated with a pixel dimensions issue, but the reviewer did provide me with information needed to avoid that situation again, so the shot was ultimately accepted after being recropped.
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If the rejection is more subjective, like composition or color/hue, I attempt corrections, but I never appeal these.
So there's a difference between "appeal" and "corrections". Is this written somewhere?

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So there's a difference between "appeal" and "corrections". Is this written somewhere?

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An appeal is when you click the "Appeal" link (from the rejection notification email) or button (from the "Rejected Photo List" on your "Members" page) because you disagree with the screener's judgement. This sends your image file to a separate screening queue for appeals only, and supposedly to a different screener for a second opinion (though sometimes I wonder about that). The Members page is accessed by clicking the so-labelled tab under the RP banner, beside the Home tab at the top of your screen. A correction is when you re-work a photo to correct whatever problem(s) the screener called you on and submit the different (and hopefully new and improved) to the screening queue. Two completely different entities. Hope this helps and doesn't just come off as a mumble-jumble of words!
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So there's a difference between "appeal" and "corrections". Is this written somewhere?

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Also if you submit a "corrected" photo, tell them what you changed in the screener comments box. If they think you didn't change anything, fury can be unleashed.
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The surface crossing as another problem...if I move the train to the right, the picture goes over the 2mb limit. Any ideas?





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BTW, how is that possible? The photo is only 344 KB as is. Did you submit as a .jpg file?
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If the file was over 2m I would check the pixel size. But if it is over, when a file is saved there should be a dialog box which allows you to adjust save "quality". By lowering the quality a little you will decrease the file size without affecting the visual image.

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