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Old 02-01-2018, 01:07 AM   #601
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Sometimes the overall light of the scene trumps light on the small portion of the image, like having “proper” nose light. Sometimes rules are meant to be broken.

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Old 02-01-2018, 02:53 AM   #602
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While I personally like the photo, by the "standards" of this website, the backlit nose is still pretty prominent. No offense to Mike, but this seems like another example of how the screening standards are changed based on who submits the image. I know I would never get this accepted even if it was nearly identical of a photo.
I really don't think that the name on the submission has all that much to do with whether or not a backlit photo gets accepted. All of us who have been on the site for a while know that this is a rejection that gets handed out quite often. Is it an absolute? Of course not. Will a mediocre backlit shot get accepted? Probably not. Will a good shot that happens to have a dark nose get accepted? It's a crap shoot, depending on how it strikes the screener. I have submitted numerous backlit shots that I felt had merit, with mixed results. I agree with Loyd and Kevin that Mike's image had enough merit to mitigate the backlit nose. I would also bet that he has had images rejected when "rules" were broken.

The album is now gone, but I was called out numerous times in an album that highlighted mostly backlit accepted images in an attempt to point out screener bias. I am glad the album is gone, but if I could have linked it, it would have proven the point that many photographers not of Mike's stature get backlit photos accepted. Be careful not to paint yourself into a "victim" role - that sort of thing can be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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Old 02-01-2018, 03:31 AM   #603
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I really don't think that the name on the submission has all that much to do with whether or not a backlit photo gets accepted. All of us who have been on the site for a while know that this is a rejection that gets handed out quite often. Is it an absolute? Of course not. Will a mediocre backlit shot get accepted? Probably not. Will a good shot that happens to have a dark nose get accepted? It's a crap shoot, depending on how it strikes the screener. I have submitted numerous backlit shots that I felt had merit, with mixed results. I agree with Loyd and Kevin that Mike's image had enough merit to mitigate the backlit nose. I would also bet that he has had images rejected when "rules" were broken.

The album is now gone, but I was called out numerous times in an album that highlighted mostly backlit accepted images in an attempt to point out screener bias. I am glad the album is gone, but if I could have linked it, it would have proven the point that many photographers not of Mike's stature get backlit photos accepted. Be careful not to paint yourself into a "victim" role - that sort of thing can be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Absolutely right, I wasn't intending to play any "victim cards" but I can see how it could come off that way. I merely wanted to spur discussion on things like this that "break the rules"
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Great points and I think these are often lost on folks who are new to the site or those who are frustrated with rejections. There's a reason why the screeners are probably quick to click "Accept" when they see Mike's photos. Over the past several years, he's built a reputation for providing quality work that gives the viewer more than just a featureless train picture. Give the screener an image he thinks will grab the viewer's attention and you can forget about all but the most basic acceptance criteria.

"Who took it" is the last thing I think about. Even Richard Steinheimer (and for that matter, Ansel Adams) produced some very forgettable images.

If I like more than 10% of somebody's work that I haven't seen before, well that's the find of the month!
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Old 02-01-2018, 01:06 PM   #605
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"Who took it" is the last thing I think about. Even Richard Steinheimer (and for that matter, Ansel Adams) produced some very forgettable images.
Well at least I'm in good company in that regard. Mine are so forgettable I don't even remember taking them.

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Old 02-02-2018, 01:03 AM   #606
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Alright....back to the images.

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Old 02-02-2018, 02:30 AM   #607
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Are the trees cloned on?
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Old 02-02-2018, 02:51 AM   #608
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Are the trees cloned on?
Doubtful. This was taken the same day. Both look fine to me.


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Doubtful. This was taken the same day. Both look fine to me.


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I don't think there's any funny business going on in the trees, I don't know what he sees.

By and large, I think the submitter did a pretty valiant job in trying to save what is a likely underexposed shot in challenging lighting conditions. My chief complaint is the whites on the numberboard area are pretty blown out in both of them, and holy shit, why do people insist on that gaudy watermark?
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I'm still not so sure I agree. Maybe it was selective saturation?
Here's a shot from a different photographer a few days before:
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This looks a lot more natural. I was also in Cassandra around the same time and have no recollection of random globs of color.

The trees look unnaturally silver as well. I would have rejected it...at the very least for poor lighting. That side of the tracks gets great light in November anyways.
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Old 02-02-2018, 03:24 AM   #611
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Vegetation is what I would expect for November. Very cloudy day so that last Autumnal light of the day must have been really shinning through, even though no visible shadows, to make those hanger on leaves pop like that, they just look
very dull without some real direct sunlight in my neck of the woods.

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Old 02-02-2018, 03:35 AM   #612
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I'm still not so sure I agree. Maybe it was selective saturation?
Here's a shot from a different photographer a few days before:
Image © Will Shields
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This looks a lot more natural. I was also in Cassandra around the same time and have no recollection of random globs of color.

The trees look unnaturally silver as well. I would have rejected it...at the very least for poor lighting. That side of the tracks gets great light in November anyways.
Wow, sunny days have shadows, didn't know. 07t, with you on this one.

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why do people insist on that gaudy watermark?
I think for some contributors it's like a badge of honor, or a trophy, as in-

"Hey, look at me everybody! I'm on Railpictures!"

(Not nearly as impressive as getting the cover shot on a print magazine.)
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Are the trees cloned on?
Looks like he went hard on the clarity tool to me.

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I'm still not so sure I agree. Maybe it was selective saturation?
Here's a shot from a different photographer a few days before:
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This looks a lot more natural. I was also in Cassandra around the same time and have no recollection of random globs of color.

The trees look unnaturally silver as well. I would have rejected it...at the very least for poor lighting. That side of the tracks gets great light in November anyways.
Are you really comparing a sunny shot to a cloudy shot to base what the vegetation should look like? Come on, man.

Yeah, he probably went to the extreme with saturation on the cloudy shot, but it's not out of the ordinary to capture better fall colors on cloudy days as opposed to sunny days.
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Terrible interior flash work:

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This is kind of surprising this got through.
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From my own short travels and what I have see here and magazine features, Austria has to be one of the most scenic countries railroad wise and in general.
Mountain storms are always possible. Friends took a cable car from Salzburg and ended up on the mountain for hours when a storm blew in.

This is often photographed location for obvious reasons. Not sure of this viaduct but many are historic. Here is in good weather.

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This is kind of surprising this got through.
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Extreme lighting handled pretty well. Eye-pleasing? A matter of taste.
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This is kind of surprising this got through.
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Why? It's well-executed. It'd be easy to overcook a photo taken in similar conditions, but I find the processing to be quite tasteful.

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Are the trees cloned on?
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that he selected the sky and darkened it, then inverted the selection and brightened the rest without much regard for the demarcation between the two. Something that I've had issues with in the past.

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From my own short travels and what I have see here and magazine features, Austria has to be one of the most scenic countries railroad wise and in general.
Mountain storms are always possible. Friends took a cable car from Salzburg and ended up on the mountain for hours when a storm blew in.

This is often photographed location for obvious reasons. Not sure of this viaduct but many are historic. Here is in good weather.

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Bob
Certainly a gorgeous postcard scene. I love the way many European catenary installations are relatively unobtrusive. [Imagine PRR style catenary here. Ugh!].
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Why? It's well-executed. It'd be easy to overcook a photo taken in similar conditions, but I find the processing to be quite tasteful.

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I'm not saying it bad at all. Just how the screeners are, I thought this would be an instant reject on their end.
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I'm not saying it bad at all. Just how the screeners are, I thought this would be an instant reject on their end.
The screeners will, and have always, accepted well-executed photos in other-than-direct-sun lighting conditions. This is not an example of screener inconsistency.
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I don't see an issue with the backlit snow shot...
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