Old 03-12-2009, 04:28 PM   #1
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Any chance I can get this in, or is it better as part of the personal albums and RRPA. I have this on my RRPA and have cropped it slightly, and got the composition and balance rejection?

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Once again, is there any hope for this. This was taken with my now retired point and shoot, as I now use my Nikon D40 full time.

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Old 03-12-2009, 04:46 PM   #2
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Hmm, I'm not the greatest with pointing out the reason for the composition balance rejection, but I'll give it a shot. I think the dead space to the right isn't exciting enough to be worth getting in. That's just me, and I could very well be wrong. You've also got a bit too much dead space at the bottom, in my opinion. I'd take off just a tad.

Also, the image seems to be suffering from high sun, and it may even be a tad bit unlevel, in my opinion. They didn't reject it for those reasons, so perhaps they really aren't that big of a deal.

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:05 PM   #3
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The composition is off because there is nothing of interest on the right side of the picture. This looks like a case where you should have turned left and taken the photo from that angle, which would have let the nose of the train move past the center of the photo and not cut off the end of the train.
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Nathan, good attempt. But you need to shift your glass to the left. There's just way too much "undead" space on the upper right there. Also, the image quality doesn't look all great. *Edit, I just read your comment about the D40 * I would make a comprimise here, add a bit more to the bottom left hand corner, "raising" the train a bit so to say. But keep some of those trees to add some color. Do you have any other versions or shots of this?

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*Edit: I didn't even notice that creek! Move your physical body if possible over to the right (if a bridge) and take a wedge from above (Thanks John Ireland lol). A simple shift in your body or camera should do. Watch for levelness also. Good luck!
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An important rule, perhaps rule #1 for RP, is do not put the subject in the center. Do not put the nose of the train in the center.

This "rule" is often broken but is a good principle to go by. Especially when the shot is an ordinary train wedgie.

See also "rule of thirds", google it or search these forums for it.
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Actually I have another idea for this. Slightly shift your glass (lens) to the left so the train isn't cut off. AND we get less of the trees. Go back when the trees get back in bloom to add some color to the blandness that it is probably now. Mess with the colors a bit to make them "pop" a little and make sure it's sharp. This looks like it'll make a great shot for fall. Get that D40 into use!!! Let's see what you can come up with.

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Thanks guys for all the replies. This place normally is real nice around spring and fall when the colors come out, and I've already know that I'll probably spend a day out here sometime when I know there's some trains running down this line as this is normally a pretty good shot in the morning hours.
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Nathan

It needs sharpening also. Cloudy day hurts also for RP.

I CW leveled. Then cropped. More track and train on left would help.

The rule of thirds is easy to remember in that with good composition, usually you want off center.

On RP and in print publishing, its not so much "a picture of a great train", its "a great picture of a train."

Good luck!
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Nathan;

This shot pales badly in comparison to your other Richmond shots. It suffers from poor lighting, not direct on nose light,and bad cropping. Do more stuff like this instead

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Well, keep in mind, those two images Joe posted were taken with his new D40. I'd definitely say that the CSX/CN/CN lashup should be one to keep to yourself, Nathan. It'd look out of place with that good quality of the D40, in my opinion.

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Old 03-13-2009, 02:42 PM   #11
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True guys...thanks for all that info. I'll probably as I said before head out to that location in the spring and fall seasons, as well as back downtown, as NS is now running in daylight on the West Point Line and I'd like to get a shot of V24 on the bridge across the river.

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