Old 08-10-2008, 02:44 PM   #1
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Question Question: Is this overprocessed?

This image is arresting and it compels you to look at it.

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It is however, unreal looking suggesting to me that it is heavily processed. I'm therefore surprised it was accepted.

If this is a new era here, that's fine since I have shots that have been rejected that I could re-submit if this is so.

Mind you, just like everyone else here, I'm a big fan of Gary's work. I applaud his ideas and admire his tenacity to get those images.

Have RP's standards changed? Or was it accepted just because of who shot it?
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Old 08-10-2008, 03:07 PM   #2
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I'd say it definitely is overprocessed. It looks like too much shadows/highlights use which gives a painting feel to it. Photos from other photographers with similar effects have been accepted in the past (usually with the same amount of controversy in the forums).
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Old 08-10-2008, 03:13 PM   #3
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All of a sudden, up is down, black is white and RP is taking HDR works. Makes mesmile when I remember that some folks thought this shot was "too processed."

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Old 08-10-2008, 03:15 PM   #4
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Mind you, just like everyone else here, I'm a big fan of Gary's work. I applaud his ideas and admire his tenacity to get those images.
Dennis;

You have officially fulfilled your political correctness quota for the day concernign the work of Mr. Knapp.




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Old 08-10-2008, 03:16 PM   #5
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Looks like HDR technique to me. The thumbnail is compelling, so I clicked it, but when I saw it, I went

It's a little over-the-top for my taste. OTOH, I'm not on the cover of the September '08 "Trains", either.

I figured there might be a minor sh*tstorm over it in the forums, though. We'll see...
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I knew I would be able to find this photo already under discussion in the forums. It sucks to see photo like this in the database when you had one yourself that got nixed for overprocessed. The ones that do make it into the database always have excellent composition and scenery which puts them at a different level from the ones I have had nixed. This color saturation is a bit much on this one but what a great location. RPNet has always accepted photos outside their guidlines if it is superior in other aspects of photography.
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Old 08-10-2008, 03:42 PM   #7
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I don't like to see obviously over processed shots, and I hate to see RP heading in this direction.

But, I'll just have to learn to skip them when I see the thumbnail...
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It is overprocessed and really does not do a thing for me, but it will probably end up getting a PCA. I personally dont think these type images should be accepted but that's me. I try to get a good shot right out of the camera, not out of photoshop.
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Mind you, just like everyone else here, I'm a big fan of Gary's work. I applaud his ideas and admire his tenacity to get those images.
Nope, not everyone!
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Makes mesmile when I remember that some folks thought this shot was "too processed."
Some folks? Boy that's quite an understatement.
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Holy crap, if the screeners keep letting stuff like that in it's going to start looking like Flickr around here. HDR certainly yields results that are interesting to look at, but when its overdone like that it's enough to make me shove my finger into the back of my throat.

The photographer in question cranks out nice work, no doubt, but I'm not a fan of how that shot was processed.
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All of a sudden, up is down, black is white and RP is taking HDR works. Makes mesmile when I remember that some folks thought this shot was "too processed."

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I was wondering how long it would take for that pic to be brought up, I must be doing good when it's in the second reply!
FWIW, I love the landscape, but hate the sky. I'd like to know what editing method Gary used, so I can avoid it! It looks like God spilled some blue paint on the clouds...I guess overprocessed is accepted when it's from an awesome location.
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Waaaay over processed.
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Waaaay over processed.
Agreed. Just giving more ammunition for the various anti-RP threats floating around out there.

But this gives me a chance to pitch an idea was thinking about. We all know that many in and outside the RP community think that the screeners play favorites (case in point). No doubt sooner or later this thread will start to head in direction, it always does.

Sounds like an easy solution is to simply make screening blind. Removed the photog names so all they see is a picture. Problem solved.

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terrible. its not about the train anymore in that photo.
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terrible. its not about the train anymore in that photo.
At least there is a train in the photo, one that everyone can plainly see.




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We all know that many in and outside the RP community think that the screeners play favorites (case in point). No doubt sooner or later this thread will start to head in direction, it always does.
From the original post:

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Have RP's standards changed? Or was it accepted just because of who shot it?
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Sounds like an easy solution is to simply make screening blind. Removed the photog names so all they see is a picture. Problem solved.
You'd probably have to mask the Remarks section too because the photog could always put "Photo by So and So" in there...
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Masking the photo name might help, but some shots are pretty obviously by one person in particular. Gary Knapp's night shots are pretty easy to discern. Some shots by AB(2) and Mitch Goldman are also pretty self evident. Of course, I don;t care one way or the other. I'm not one believes RP plays favorites.

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I guess that we are too used too seeing Mr.Knapps work at night, so we see the processing the same, or that it is just the natural colors in the shot location.


OR

When he was processing this shot he has the same habits that he has when processing nights shots.

Personally, I think against it being overprocessed.


Oh, BTW, I have coined a new term for Gary's work- Knappshot.
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Get your HDR software warmed up, Matthew! RP likes them now!

I thought that shot was over processed then and I still do. I also think Gary's night shots are over processed as is this day shot. Simply stating my opinion though. I must say, this does make me question the favorites topic that was brought up previously. I wasn't much of a believer before but... hmm. Oh well.
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Considering my last couple accepted shots, I'm starting to wonder if I'm a favorite too
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I knew I would be able to find this photo already under discussion in the forums. It sucks to see photo like this in the database when you had one yourself that got nixed for overprocessed. The ones that do make it into the database always have excellent composition and scenery which puts them at a different level from the ones I have had nixed. This color saturation is a bit much on this one but what a great location. RPNet has always accepted photos outside their guidlines if it is superior in other aspects of photography.
You know, I thought something similiar when I saw 3 of 4 of todays' "top picks" are shot from very far away, yet I had 4 rejected a couple days ago which were nowhere near as faw away as these

But back to this shot, its over the top overprocessed
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I have had shots rejected for being overprocessed by just using a little too much sharpening tool in photoshop, I have also had to turn down the saturation in my photos. Straight out of the camera, because I get the bad color reject. But this shot is almost unbareable to look at, he stated in the comments that he used some sort of software to acheive that look. It looks fake and just plain horrid to me. But like exnavydoc said, Im not on the cover of Trains magazine either.
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Sounds like an easy solution is to simply make screening blind. Removed the photog names so all they see is a picture. Problem solved.
Blind screening is a great idea, but then there's also the appeal process. Once someone appeals, their name is going to show up. Even if the site could and/or would blind the appeals as well, what's stopping a photographer from creating an elaborate plea/response and sending it in to sway the administrators? I can just see it, "Hey, I'm so and so...I don't think you meant to reject this..." I think a lot of shots that probably would have been rejected got in that way anyway. It's all about how you can convince and manipulate through words. Some of us are better at typing up our cases than others.

Still, as far as the pic, it's OK; I don't normally like overly processed photos. Too fake, kind of like processed cheese. Maybe this phony look is just a fad, kind of like margarine and digital watches.

Also, what's stopping people from creating scenes that didn't really exist but LOOK like they did? That probably already goes on anyway. We (as viewers) pretty much have to trust that the photographer is not pulling a fast one on us no matter what.
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