Old 07-03-2013, 09:03 PM   #51
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By the sixth reject, the crew must be ducking because they're about to hit the top of the frame. The first reject looks better to me, cropping and horizon.
They were ducking when that B-52 buzzed them
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:10 PM   #52
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While you are at it, help me level this:

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What to level on? The river, the lower trestle, the upper trestle, the trees, the girders. None of which really look level.
Well...that's really screwed up, IMHO. The upper bridge is on a .245 left to right grade, tangent, and the lower bridge is on a 7 degree right hand curve and a nearly immediate 1.6 percent grade. Except for the vertical bents on the big bridge, there really aren't many reference points for "level." It's a wide angle shot, so that has obviously given you into all that goofy "lens correction" stuff.

At what point is it mandatory to manipulate reality into something else to have a shot selected? To me, this is "unlevel" to the edge of madness...

I've shot this bridge more times than everyone else who has ever posted a shot on RP.net combined, and this looks fine to me. Nice image...take your pick.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:22 PM   #53
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I will try that, a couple people have suggested that, let's see how it goes
CCW. Not CW. I'm telling you. But yes, ultimately, we are picking nits and the shot should have made it on.

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Old 07-03-2013, 09:36 PM   #54
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CCW. Not CW. I'm telling you. But yes, ultimately, we are picking nits and the shot should have made it on.
I did .7 CW off of the first one submitted (which was the second one in the original list)

Let's see what happens

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:04 PM   #55
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The commie from Cali was right?

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It's a wide angle shot, so that has obviously given you into all that goofy "lens correction" stuff.

At what point is it mandatory to manipulate reality into something else to have a shot selected? To me, this is "unlevel" to the edge of madness...
On the contrary, Ron. We were trying to manipulate "something else" into reality by correcting the lens distortion!

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They are still letting unlevel stuff on, this is a couple from today:

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That shot looks level in the middle. The wide angle distortion is equal on both sides.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:49 PM   #58
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So if this one blew your mind, I give you this:

I tried several variations of this one about 6 months ago, but got nowhere, this is it basically out of the camera

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CCW - a lot.
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CCW - a lot.
If you are referring to the image in the post immediately prior to yours, I'd have to disagree strongly. Maybe a little CCW. Get that white concrete base in the background level. It's a wacko wide angle so there are going to be tons of wacko non-verticals.
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Congrats Troy. What was the lucky number??
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One more rejection and they would have cut your upload limit

Regardless, it looks great.
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So if this one blew your mind, I give you this:

I tried several variations of this one about 6 months ago, but got nowhere, this is it basically out of the camera

I think I was on record earlier as liking this one as-is. I still like it. Don't turn it a single degree. It's not supposed to be level. One size does not fit all in the world of railroad photography.
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:58 AM   #66
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If it's not supposed to be level, then it needs to be more un-level. It doesn't look artistic, it looks like a improperly leveled tripod (which I am always guilty of).

and 17mm on a full frame has never looked so inadequate..

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I think I was on record earlier as liking this one as-is. I still like it. Don't turn it a single degree. It's not supposed to be level. One size does not fit all in the world of railroad photography.
Yea, I contacted you off-line about this one months back while I was being held incommunicado and just let it sit, like pretty much everything else I took in October/November. Just thought I would throw it back out there to the whole audience to get a reaction.
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I did .7 CW off of the first one submitted (which was the second one in the original list)

Let's see what happens

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Thanks for everyone who gave input on this one.
Well, shut my mouth. Still looks off to me, admittedly, but it's a moot point now. Glad to see it made it.

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Alright, here we go again

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...14&key=5919668 <- new

The first one was right out of the camera as far as level goes, the second one I leveled to the concrete pillar just right of center

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2nd one looks pretty darn close to me. Ever get the feeling they're just giving you the gears sometimes?
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2nd one looks pretty darn close to me. Ever get the feeling they're just giving you the gears sometimes?
No, that thought never occurred to me, I have given them no reason to do that
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I would try the tiniest hair CW on the third (tiniest).

I do think we are getting into the weeds on these myself.
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I would try the tiniest hair CW on the third (tiniest).

I do think we are getting into the weeds on these myself.
On the second one I went 2.5 CW from the original
On the third one I went .7 CCW from the second one
So on the fourth one I went .4 CCW from the second one (which means .3 CW from the third one)

I kind of agree with you that we are splitting hairs at this point

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:40 PM   #74
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These 2 still giving me grief:

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:44 PM   #75
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Not certain - with the train quite small in both, is it possible that the engines being vertical center is the issue?
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