Old 06-30-2013, 12:17 AM   #1
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The few vertical references in the photo are level, so where am I wrong?

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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...64&key=6754103

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:29 AM   #2
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Make the bridge straight. Looks like there's a good grade on it as is
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I would assume that the bridge clearance signs would be level, even on a bridge that is on a grade. Try using the arrows in the signs as a guide.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:33 AM   #4
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Make the bridge straight. Looks like there's a good grade on it as is
There is a grade on it, and if I level the bridge, everything else is going to look out of wack.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:02 AM   #5
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I'd say .5% CCW judging by the stop sign facing away from us.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:24 AM   #6
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Rotate it to the same angle you had in the shot you uploaded 4 days ago.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:58 AM   #7
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Looks like there is some wide-angle distortion as well. Tilt CCW, but if you have lens-correction capability, tilt the top of the frame forward, which should bring the vertical lines into parallel.
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Aren't railfan's by their nature unlevel people?
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Aren't railfan's by their nature unlevel people?
No, railfans are completely normal, socially adjusted people.

Just ask this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhYXNwvcl6A
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:07 PM   #10
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How about these cropping ones?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...71&key=3381469
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I really like that second one, got one with the train a little farther into the frame right before it gets to that green bush?
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I really like that second one, got one with the train a little farther into the frame right before it gets to that green bush?
No, I dont have other frames of that one.

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2nd one feels tight to me. Yes, you don't want the engines too small but it just feels awkwardly tight.

There is something about the angle of the tree trunks on the left and the scraggly tree on the right which suggests to me it needs CCW.
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Any other suggestions?
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While you are at it, help me level this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...51&key=8043383
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...76&key=3036596
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...67&key=9503942

What to level on? The river, the lower trestle, the upper trestle, the trees, the girders. None of which really look level.

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While you are at it, help me level this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...51&key=8043383
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...76&key=3036596

What to level on? The river, the lower trestle, the upper trestle, the trees, the girders. None of which really look level.
.5-1.0% CW, perhaps
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While you are at it, help me level this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...51&key=8043383
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...76&key=3036596

What to level on? The river, the lower trestle, the upper trestle, the trees, the girders. None of which really look level.
I'd say the edge of the concrete pier of the lower trestle close to the center of the image. Your second attempt was a step in the right direction, but not quite enough... looks to me like it still needs a little CCW.

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While you are at it, help me level this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...51&key=8043383
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...76&key=3036596
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...67&key=9503942

What to level on? The river, the lower trestle, the upper trestle, the trees, the girders. None of which really look level.

Not sure there is anything in there to properly level off of. All are clearly in need of CCW to my eye. Sometimes I just have to go with what looks right to my sense of balance. I would say take the one that is most CCW and then go a bit further.
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You may be in the middle of a game of ping pong where different screeners respond to different parts of the images, so you make one part look better and if you get the same screener they would accept, but you get a different one.

If it were me I'd do perspective control, if only to make sense of it all, working off the vertical ribs in the cars and girders, and keeping track of the concrete pier above the fishermen and the pickup truck.
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Whatever you do, Troy, make sure the water looks level. Your third rejection is pretty bad!

You could always make it look like this...

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You may be in the middle of a game of ping pong where different screeners respond to different parts of the images, so you make one part look better and if you get the same screener they would accept, but you get a different one.
Thats what I love about this site, one minute you get one idea from contributors or screeners, the next minute you get something different. Someone suggests CCW, another suggests CW.

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If it were me I'd do perspective control, if only to make sense of it all, working off the vertical ribs in the cars and girders, and keeping track of the concrete pier above the fishermen and the pickup truck.
As I was working on that last edit, it occurred to me that I should do that, but I just let it ride.

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Whatever you do, Troy, make sure the water looks level. Your third rejection is pretty bad!
I actually did that the first time (the second one in the list), but didnt do any distortion corrections.

I will give it another working when I get home from work.

Anyone have any suggestions for the 2 cropping ones in post 10?

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Anyone have any suggestions for the 2 cropping ones in post 10?
The CSX version, it feels cramped, and, well, I don't know, can't express myself, but it just isn't working for me the way it is. The NS, I have a bias against large expanses of plain grass, even in an otherwise scenic shot. I do wish the farm structures on the left were closer to the fence line or whatever it is on the right. Sorry I can't be more helpful right now.
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The CSX version, it feels cramped, and, well, I don't know, can't express myself, but it just isn't working for me the way it is. The NS, I have a bias against large expanses of plain grass, even in an otherwise scenic shot. I do wish the farm structures on the left were closer to the fence line or whatever it is on the right. Sorry I can't be more helpful right now.
Januz, I understand where you are coming from on the second one, I wanted to do something like this, but with the arbitrary constraints on photo dimensions here, it's not really an option... it ends up being something like 1024 x 530

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Troy, RP has been known to do 5:3 on occasion, which is 1024x615. See if you can find something like that with a bit more ground, maybe a smidge less sky if you can pull it off. If that doesn't work, try to take off some of the rend barn, leaving the silo or whatever it is that lies between the barn and the truck trailer.
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Troy, this is the best I can come up with for copper creek. Not sure you'll be able to make this work on RP though..



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