Old 02-09-2011, 09:47 PM   #51
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the two better ones have the "jack london square, oakland" writing on the overhead bridge...i know it's not the street running, but it tells you where it's taken...
You only have one that clearly says "Jack London Square," and it's poorly composed. A better perspective would have been more to your left, showing more of the side of the train plus the lettering up above.
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Not quite. When, near the end of "Return of the Jedi" Vader askes Luke to take of the mask "so I can see you with my own eyes" we get to see his face, and it definitely isn't Hayden - though of course it isn't James Earl Jones either. The thing that hacks me off most is that after releasing the 3 "prequels" Lucas went back and edited the scene at the end of "Return" where you see Yoda, Obi-Wan and Vader/Anakin to insert the young Anakin instead of the old one. Might as well have edited out Sir Alec Guiness and replaced him with Ewan McGregor.

BTW, the rejection without any reasons looks soft to me, though I think the issue might actually be that the camera is focused on the middle of the NS unit and not the front, so the number boards are short of the plane of focus . . .

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I am a little late to the dance here I guess. I clicked on the first "rare power" and it's a NS Dash 9. Seriously?

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the two better ones have the "jack london square, oakland" writing on the overhead bridge...i know it's not the street running, but it tells you where it's taken...
It doesn't look like it's on purpose... more that it just happened to be where the camera was looking when you filled the frame with the train.

This actually goes to a bigger issue, and it's frankly one that I didn't learn until I'd been shooting for decades... but it matters.

You want to include your location in your shots. No, not every shot... but a good amount of them. I have so many wedgies that I shot in Maryland, NJ, NY, MA, etc as a kid that could have been shot anywhere. "There is no there there," (to quote G Stein's comment on Oakland).

Include the entire station building in one shot. Include the Jack London Motel in a shot (the whole thing). Include a mailbox in a shot. Include a streetlamp in a shot. But don't just capture them because they were where your lens was pointing. Make a point of composing and framing the shot so that these things will be included, and as important as the train in the overall photo.

It can be something big or something small... but frame it in the shot.

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Old 02-10-2011, 12:54 AM   #55
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Hey Charles, do you come to Chicago (the smelly onion place) much?

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Chris... I wish. My last time there was maybe ten years ago. I love Chicago... one of my favorite places on the planet. I need to figure out a trip there. CF
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From big to small, these photographers took what was there and made it an intergral part of their image.
Jeez, Charles...could've helped me out a little and used one of mine to prove I'm not a constant wedgie shooter!

Just to clarify to EVERYONE, it was just a joke!
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A tid-bit my music once told us, there were actually 3 different guys to play Darth Vader. One for the voice, one inside the costume, and then another guy for when he was actually revealed.
Indeed. The man who wore the costume during the original three movies wanted to do it again for "Revenge of the Sith" but Lucas chose to go with someone else.

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they didn't even give me a reason!!!

i'll try different cropping and stuff...

Not cropping is gonna help that. Its just a bad photo, it really doesn't need a reason for rejection. Its just another standard old ROSTER SHOT which all need to stop submitting. Which you kinda might wanna start living by that rule, so you can improve your own photography.
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Not cropping is gonna help that. Its just a bad photo, it really doesn't need a reason for rejection. Its just another standard old ROSTER SHOT which all need to stop submitting. Which you kinda might wanna start living by that rule, so you can improve your own photography.
Easily one of the dumbest statements I have heard in awhile. Its not a bad shot. Its pretty sharp, and fine lighting. Im not saying it should get it on, but not a "bad" shot.
Its also nowhere near a roster shot, and telling anyone to stop taking roster is just stupid. You may be one of those people who is more a photographer than someone who like trains, but to those who actually like trains or model them, roster shots are an invaluable tool and we honestly need more of them.
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Not cropping is gonna help that. Its just a bad photo, it really doesn't need a reason for rejection. Its just another standard old ROSTER SHOT which all need to stop submitting. Which you kinda might wanna start living by that rule, so you can improve your own photography.
Sorry Ben, but you are totally off base. I'm not a fan of the photo in question as it fails to convey the reason for the photo (NS on Amtrak in California) but to say that everyone needs to stop shooting rosters is flat out stupid. First off the "artistic" group on RP seems to have a hard time distinguishing what actually is a roster, its really a very specific art and this shot is not a roster.
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Look through Barrys work if you want to see what rosters actually are, and they are not as easy to do as you think if you read through some of the captions.
Just because its not your style it is pretty narrow minded to dismiss all photos that are not artistically oriented in whatever way you may feel. After all, RP is still a railfan site.
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Ok, and who told you to come and turn a joke into a pissing contest exactly?


I mean really Peter, are my feelings suppose to be hurt or something?
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I'm in agreement with Chris re the standard, so I don't see how a ton of JLS plus a shot or two of some place with "quasi street running", whatever that means, gets Steve the crown. Both of you are out of the running, I bet.

I wonder who is the true king?
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I'm in agreement with Chris re the standard, so I don't see how a ton of JLS plus a shot or two of some place with "quasi street running", whatever that means, gets Steve the crown. Both of you are out of the running, I bet.

I wonder who is the true king?
See you guys took the whole Street Running King out of hand... There's was a key word...Suppose...Not I AM, or I WAS...I mean really? I'm not here to have a pissing contest or kiss ass to have people like my shots. I do what I do because I have fun simple as that. If I wanted to be anywhere near as good as Peter Lewis, who seems that his 0.02 is always needed then heck, I would be reading Chase's Guide like it's the Bible. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to keep my funnies in check to avoid people taking things too literal... The sensitivity level in here is worse than an OB/GYN Clinic waiting room...



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But if you really wanted to call a 'King' then Welch would have it being that he's got close to 100 Street Running Shots which I have a little over half of that...

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I guess I'll have to keep my funnies in check to avoid people taking things too literal... The sensitivity level in here is worse than an OB/GYN Clinic waiting room...
Hmm, I wonder who is the one who is mighty sensitive, and who are all the others who are having fun with a thread?

Hmm ...

pot, meet kettle!

except that none of the rest of us are kettles ...
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I was almost kidding, ftr. I wasn't trying to start a pissing match, Ant.
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Speaking of sensitive...what happened to Troy??
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