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Easily one of the dumbest statements I have heard in awhile. Its not a bad shot. Its pretty sharp, and fine lighting. Im not saying it should get it on, but not a "bad" shot.
Its also nowhere near a roster shot, and telling anyone to stop taking roster is just stupid. You may be one of those people who is more a photographer than someone who like trains, but to those who actually like trains or model them, roster shots are an invaluable tool and we honestly need more of them.
Agreed with Max. I wouldn't expect a comment like that out of Ben, perhaps he is just trying to fit in with the regulars? Joking aside, roster shots and wedges are okay in my book, especially for a site like RP, but I do encourage the more creative side. That's just me.. Both are perfecty acceptable for RP.

It all comes back to the audience of RP.. The railfan and the photographer and which material they prefer to see.. A novice to RP like Ben shouldn't be commenting and telling others to stop shooting what RP finds perfectly acceptable.

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Old 02-11-2011, 04:18 AM   #79
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He got the banhammer for being a bit too "sensitive" to Mitch in the Siter Related forum . . .

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Not cropping is gonna help that. Its just a bad photo, it really doesn't need a reason for rejection. Its just another standard old ROSTER SHOT which all need to stop submitting. Which you kinda might wanna start living by that rule, so you can improve your own photography.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:36 PM   #81
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Sorry Ben, but you are totally off base. I'm not a fan of the photo in question as it fails to convey the reason for the photo (NS on Amtrak in California) but to say that everyone needs to stop shooting rosters is flat out stupid. First off the "artistic" group on RP seems to have a hard time distinguishing what actually is a roster, its really a very specific art and this shot is not a roster.
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Look through Barrys work if you want to see what rosters actually are, and they are not as easy to do as you think if you read through some of the captions.
Just because its not your style it is pretty narrow minded to dismiss all photos that are not artistically oriented in whatever way you may feel. After all, RP is still a railfan site.

Maybe I should rephrase what I meant. I feel that anything that shows just a bad angle and one engine(or just one engine) is a roster shot. Boring and overall just doesn't make me want to stop on the photo. On the second note, we do need roster shots to save the past, but on that note, we don't need those shots on railpics, there is another site for those. Just my opinion. I go here to see photography of trains and to rrpicturearchieves to see just trains. Maybe that's how I should have worded my first statement.
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A novice to RP like Ben shouldn't be commenting and telling others to stop shooting what RP finds perfectly acceptable.
Wait a minute Chase, just because I have 20 photos doesn't mean I'm a novice. I just know that that's all this kid shoots, and I was trying to get him to think other than shooting roster style shots.
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Maybe I should rephrase what I meant. I feel that anything that shows just a bad angle and one engine(or just one engine) is a roster shot. Boring and overall just doesn't make me want to stop on the photo. On the second note, we do need roster shots to save the past, but on that note, we don't need those shots on railpics, there is another site for those. Just my opinion. I go here to see photography of trains and to rrpicturearchieves to see just trains. Maybe that's how I should have worded my first statement.
And thats just it, your opinion, but yet your trying to tell everyone in absolutes to not shoot rosters, which you are still insisting on defining incorrectly.
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The whole "RP is about great pictures of trains, not pictures of great trains" is absolute BS, a good roster or action shot of a interesting unit will generally outview an artistically composed shot of common power.
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And thats just it, your opinion, but yet your trying to tell everyone in absolutes to not shoot rosters, which you are still insisting on defining incorrectly.
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The whole "RP is about great pictures of trains, not pictures of great trains" is absolute BS, a good roster or action shot of a interesting unit will generally outview an artistically composed shot of common power.
Just because it gets alot of views Nikos doesn't make it a great photo. Just because its exposed properly or a rare power doesn't make a it a good photo. Sorry, roster shots are boring and if you wanna take a roster shot go ahead. Just unlike Coasterfan, don't complain when your roster shot gets rejected.
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The whole "RP is about great pictures of trains, not pictures of great trains" is absolute BS, a good roster or action shot of a interesting unit will generally outview an artistically composed shot of common power.
If views meant anything, you'd have a great point. Derailments always rake in the views. Does that make them great? Do people want derailment photos hanging up on their walls at home?



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Just because it gets alot of views Nikos doesn't make it a great photo. Just because its exposed properly or a rare power doesn't make a it a good photo. Sorry, roster shots are boring and if you wanna take a roster shot go ahead. Just unlike Coasterfan, don't complain when your roster shot gets rejected.
Sure it does. Properly exposed and cropped correctly makes it a good photo. Absolutely. Does it make it a GREAT photo? Not necessarily, no.
Also, those shots are boring to YOU! This is a hobby where many different things are liked and enjoyed. To say one facet needs to be stopped on this website because one person doesn't enjoy it is silly.
Also, the shot is question was NOT a roster shot, so stop saying that.
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The whole "RP is about great pictures of trains, not pictures of great trains" is absolute BS, a good roster or action shot of a interesting unit will generally outview an artistically composed shot of common power.
Are you sure we're looking at the same website? Aside from derailments or photos of women, the really well-executed, artistic shots seem to rake in a whole hell of a lot of views and comments. Screeners Choice, POTW, and PCA awards usually go to the artsy stuff - have a look at past winners if you don't believe me. Views is a pretty pointless metric IMO - it is not a measure of your skill, but merely the amount of attention you can attract. It reminds me of guys who go out and make a total ass of themselves under the assumption that women will flock to them - sure, they get a whole lot of attention out of it, but they always seem to go home by themselves at night...
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Are you sure we're looking at the same website? Aside from derailments or photos of women, the really well-executed, artistic shots seem to rake in a whole hell of a lot of views and comments. Screeners Choice, POTW, and PCA awards usually go to the artsy stuff - have a look at past winners if you don't believe me. Views is a pretty pointless metric IMO - it is not a measure of your skill, but merely the amount of attention you can attract. It reminds me of guys who go out and make a total ass of themselves under the assumption that women will flock to them - sure, they get a whole lot of attention out of it, but they always seem to go home by themselves at night...
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Are you sure we're looking at the same website? Aside from derailments or photos of women, the really well-executed, artistic shots seem to rake in a whole hell of a lot of views and comments. Screeners Choice, POTW, and PCA awards usually go to the artsy stuff - have a look at past winners if you don't believe me. Views is a pretty pointless metric IMO - it is not a measure of your skill, but merely the amount of attention you can attract. It reminds me of guys who go out and make a total ass of themselves under the assumption that women will flock to them - sure, they get a whole lot of attention out of it, but they always seem to go home by themselves at night...
Why does your skill matter?
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So all you do is get lucky with all your shots then? Exactly. Knowledge is evolved, but if skill has nothing to do with it, then go ahead and try to get lucky.
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Did I say that? No I did not. Why does it matter the skill level of someone posting pictures on here. Who cares if they got lucky and got a nice picture, its not up to us to judge them. I never said skill doesn't matter. TAMR said views are not a measure of your skill. Why does every photo on here have to be a measure of your skill. If I go out and sit trackside and this comes by and I step out and take one frame and get this, why is it less deserving than one that takes a ton of skill?
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Did I say that? No I did not. Why does it matter the skill level of someone posting pictures on here. Who cares if they got lucky and got a nice picture, its not up to us to judge them. I never said skill doesn't matter. TAMR said views are not a measure of your skill. Why does every photo on here have to be a measure of your skill. If I go out and sit trackside and this comes by and I step out and take one frame and get this, why is it less deserving than one that takes a ton of skill?
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Its not about being a professional, its about enjoying yourself. I don't think we should look down on other people because they get lucky, or don't have as much skill as others.
For what it's worth, if you look at my post, it clearly says IMO (in my opinion); the remainder of this post is also my own opinion and nothing more.

I have a lot more respect for those who consistently produce photos that make me say "wow," than those who take a more "standard" shot of some power that is rare and/or foreign to the area. To me, that is simply a logistical matter - being in the right place at the right time.

A friend of mine who has been doing this for many, many years longer than I have said it like this: no matter what the power is, someone has always shot it more than you, sunnier than you, in better scenery than you, etc., etc. To each his own though - it's just a hobby, so as much as skill doesn't matter to you, power on a train doesn't matter to me.
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And to do a 180 degree turn from my last post...the aforementioned CSX 4617 is now slated for retirement. Shoot it while you can.
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