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Old 11-20-2010, 09:16 PM   #77
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HOLY COW, MAX! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!?!?!? And you don't think you were trespassing? Dang.

BTW, You forgot to factor in focal distance. With a long-er focal distance, you can get away with a lot of stuff you can't get away with at 18mm. This is what gave this shot away in my book.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:09 PM   #78
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I am in this late but the fact of the matter is you are on the ROW in this shot. The "path" was once a rail line by the looks of where you were standing. Look how far to the right you are of the signals.
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Look how far to the right you are of the signals.
Doesn't look like he was to the right at all.
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Old 11-20-2010, 10:23 PM   #80
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Doesn't look like he was to the right at all.
I think he meant his OTHER right...
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Old 11-21-2010, 04:53 AM   #81
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Did someone mention an easy fix to get this in the database? No?

SD60.

It's really just that easy. Badda Bing, Badda Boom.

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Old 11-21-2010, 06:19 AM   #82
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Let me take care of this right now.

1 - CSX employee and with the Northern Sub Roadmaster.
2 - Lerro steam charter. Your powers of observation are truly exceptional.
3 - Grade crossing
4 - Grade crossing at North Excello. Ever been there?
5 - Ya got me. I was trespassing on CSX property. I was also 16yo and it was 1989. Life was a bit simpler back then. Que sera, sera.
6 - Grade crossing (Township Avenue, Elmwood Place, Ohio)

1 for 6. This thread is kin to throwing stones in glass houses. Let it go.

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I suppose if trespassing, not looking like trespassing, was the issue, youd be right. Nice try though. Whatever im done.
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Doesn't look like he was to the right at all.
Yea, I meant look how far to the right the signals are from you.
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You know what? I'm really with Max on this one. He's trespassing just as much as about a quarter of the latest photos on the site - and I'm not sure why it's such an issue. He's gotta be at least 15 feet from the train, which is further away than many foamers stand at grade crossings, but it's dinged just because he's trespassing. How many others have been rejected for this reason? Hmm? And if it's just about the appearance of trespassing, then how about a recent photo of mine that looks like it was taken from squarely between the rails with an oncoming train? There is a huge inconsistency here, and I can't understand why everyone here thinks that's perfectly okay.
Plus, I like the shot. It tells a small story. Good job.
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Let me chime in real quick. What does trespassing have to do with a great picture? I mean unless its a shot from atop a boxcar or on a bridge with the train, whats the problem? I trespass quite often, crazy right? Someone call the police. And there is a big difference in trespassing along the ROW and going into a yard. Im most often a safe distance away from the train, and once I get my shot Im gone. I find it funny how so many railfans pride themselves on the whole trespassing thing to be honest.

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I dont think this thread would have gotten as much mileage as it has unless the OP had not been such a hypocrite on the subject in the past to be honest with you
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I hardly think joking about you standing between the rails and my standing well off to the side on a dirt road constitutes being a hypocrite. I did state that I was kidding and didn't care either way if you were because its up to you.
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I suppose if trespassing, not looking like trespassing, was the issue, youd be right.
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No Joe, im simply saying thats not a valid reason to reject mine.
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Let me chime in real quick. What does trespassing have to do with a great picture? I mean unless its a shot from atop a boxcar or on a bridge with the train, whats the problem?
Here's the problem I have with what many people on this thread, a selection of which are quoted above, have opined: It doesn't matter how safe you think you are, whether you're climbing on equipment or simply standing inside the property line -- trespassing is illegal, and there's no grey area. Is it something we all do to one degree or another? Yeah, because we know there are places where enforcement of trespassing rules is relaxed, and I'm certainly not preaching from a glass house on this issue (I went through my portfolio on here before posting this and found five or six shots where I was trespassing in places where I know the railroad doesn't particularly care). Is it still wrong? Yup, no doubt about it.

Regarding Matt's "15 feet" comment: Industry standard safe distance is reaching a point 25 feet from the near rail 15 seconds before the train arrives.

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My understanding is that the ROW goes 25 feet either side of the tracks, however, they only care about the first 10 feet or so.
Railroad right-of-way extends however far out from the track centerline that the railroad acquired. It might be 25 feet, it might be 200 feet. Without looking at valuation or tax maps, there's no way to make a blanket statement like that.

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Everyone trespasses if your 25 to 50' from the ROW and crossing's you are too as it's only legal if you're crossing, Standing or stopping on them to shoot is not legal if push comes to shove.
This is exactly right: A few weeks ago I was documenting site conditions for work, wearing all required PPE and with lookout protection from a group of coworkers, when a passing BNSF employee observed me stop for less than ten seconds in the gauge at a grade crossing to take photos looking up and down the track. The employee took time away from his duties to come over and remind us that flagman protection was required at any time we needed to foul the tracks. So, when railfans use "I was standing at a crossing" as an excuse for taking a photo while in the foul, it ain't valid: The action of stopping in the foul zone (typically defined as 4.5 feet outside the rails) turns you into a trespasser.

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It blows my mind that people can be so ignorant.
Thanks, Max, I couldn't have said it better myself. I think it is perfectly valid for the RP staff to reject photos that were taken while trespassing; acceptance of such images is implicitly condoning such actions, which the home of "the best railroad photos on the net" should not be in the practice of doing.
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Thanks, Max, I couldn't have said it better myself. I think it is perfectly valid for the RP staff to reject photos that were taken while trespassing; acceptance of such images is implicitly condoning such actions, which the home of "the best railroad photos on the net" should not be in the practice of doing.
That's not the point I was trying to make, I never said whether it was safe or not. My only comment was that there's absolutely no consistency whatsoever in rejecting trespassing shots.
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K, David, I had never thought about the fact that we must be crossing in order to not be trespassing. Very interesting.

To the rest of y'all: Why does RP try to reject shots where someone is trespassing, because trespassing is illegal and by hosting it, they are in a lot of ways endorsing it. Not cool. Not sure how the Graffiti thing in the other thread ways in, cause its kinda similar. My point is RP doesn't want to endorse trespassing, and they therefore do "not [wish] to publish" it.
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Can't wait to see the trespassing night shots from below!

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