Old 09-25-2009, 01:49 AM   #1
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I don't understand this reject. All I did was crop, saturation, and a little highlights. No sharpening as the recent equipment I had purchased does a very good job.

Can someone explain what this means and how to fix it?

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Old 09-25-2009, 01:59 AM   #2
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I don't understand this reject. All I did was crop, saturation, and a little highlights. No sharpening as the recent equipment I had purchased does a very good job.

Can someone explain what this means and how to fix it?

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:00 AM   #3
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The clouds look pretty fake. Other than that, the photo seems alright.

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:01 AM   #4
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The steam engine is glowing...look around the smokestack and the cab area, notice how the cloud gets lighter right around the edge of the locomotive.
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:03 AM   #5
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It means something along the lines of, you added the sky from another shot, or you really hiked the saturation to make up for no light on the engine, but to be honest, I can't figure out what they saw to hit you for that.

So, it's very possible they hit the wrong button.

Although, trying to figure out what they didn't like, I'm not sure (maybe cropping or angle, in that the picture cuts off the train... honestly not able to figure it out).

Sorry... just not sure.
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I don't see the glow on my monitor. There is also steam coming out of the steam generator which kind of mixes with the clouds and also some smoke coming out of the stack that may also be contributing to the illusion, but I still don't get it. I've taken quite a few shots from that spot, maybe I'll try another one. I was hoping to get some of the lightning flashes, but no such luck. Funny the lightning there killed some cattle near the side of the road. Should have shot that too, but I didn't.

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:25 AM   #7
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Funny the lightning there killed some cattle near the side of the road. Should have shot that too, but I didn't.

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why shoot em, weren't they already dead?
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:25 AM   #8
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Maybe this shot would be better? Less of the fake clouds being shown.

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:26 AM   #9
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Nope, no wrong button pushing here. The clouds look fake, and like Nick said, there's a glow around the engine, both signs of Shadow/Highlight overuse.

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:29 AM   #10
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Yeah. What was interesting is that a lot of the live cattle was just standing there staring at the dead ones.

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Old 09-25-2009, 03:02 AM   #11
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I'm not seeing the "glow" around the engine on my monitor. Still, you could try backing off a little bit on the saturation and highlights. I think it's a great shot, as is the other you posted.

As far as the digitally manipulated rejection is concerned, I don't understand why it's around anymore now that HDR images are being accepted into the DB. I'd love a little clarification on the matter, just for curiosity's sake.

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I redid the photo without using highlights. Does this look okay or is it still a problem to those who see halos?

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When I looked at the 1st shot on my laptop monitor the sky looked really fake, as in it jumped right out at ya. Looking at it now on my desktop, it looks just fine. Little bit of glow around the stack, but scarcely noticable. Guess it all depends on your monitor. Tomorrow I'll look at it on an old CRT monitor that's hooked to an old computer dedicated to label-making and compare it to my regular computer's LCD. Should be interesting...
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I see pic number 2 made it in. Congrats, but don't give up on #1 just yet. Try what Jonathan said and give it another go, with a note to the screeners saying what you did.
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Yeah. What was interesting is that a lot of the live cattle was just standing there staring at the dead ones.

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I got the same rejection tonight, on this photo:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1089480122

All I did to the image was crop, sharpen, and slightly adjust the shadows/highlights. I made sure to send a message to the screeners saying that I did not manipulate the image. I don't see what could take the appearance of manipulation in my photo.
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I got the same rejection tonight,
I don't see what could take the appearance of manipulation in my photo.
And I can tell by the blacks coming out grayer on both shots, Just back off the shadow-highlight sider till you have a normal contrast and more normal clouds.

Chris's shot is a great shot and light is good to. It can get in if he backs off the shadow sider, they want Black black's
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Looks great that's a cool shot. glad it got on.
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Thanks guys for the help. I made some adjustments like you said and resubmitted. It's in.
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I guess it's moot now, but I thought the first image was ok. I'm not seeing the artifact you all are seeing.

Are you sure you are not looking at Mach bands, and not digital artifact?

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I guess it's moot now, but I thought the first image was ok. I'm not seeing the artifact you all are seeing.

Are you sure you are not looking at Mach bands, and not digital artifact?

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According to the definition, Mach bands occur where there are "two wide bands, one light and one dark, separated by a narrow strip with a light-to-dark gradient". In the photo, looking at the stack/clouds in particular, there is no narrow strip with a light-to-dark gradient but a distinct contrast separation line. That should dispel the above theory as as applied to this particular area of the image, so yes, I'm pretty sure I wasn't seeing Mach bands. I won't rule out some other sort of illusion though. What I did see on my laptop screen though was what appeared to be oversharpening in the clouds particularily in the upper right corner, where it almost looked like the stipple artwork of that guy who posted a day or two back. As I said before, that went away when I viewed it on my desktop computer. I checked my old CRT at work as I said I would, and it's still a bit visible on that one when compared side-by-side with an LCD monitor. But as you said Mike, it's moot now. Congrats on getting it on, Chris. It's a nice shot and deserves to be on the database.
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The reason people keep digital manipulation rejections is because of overuse of the shadow/highlight tool. Unless your name is Matt Hicks or Mitch Goldman, there's almost no need to ever go over 25 on either Shadow or Highlight. Also, when you adjust shadow/highlight, you have to increase the contrast to balance the shot out. Shadow/highlight muddies the shot a bit, while a 7-10 increase in contrast will reduce the muddiness.

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I got the same rejection tonight, on this photo:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1089480122

All I did to the image was crop, sharpen, and slightly adjust the shadows/highlights.
The trees are glowing in this photo. I'm no expert, but based on the ugly shadows on the depot from the roof overhang, this location would be best photographed during the last two hours of sunshine on a crisp winter day.
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Unless your name is Matt Hicks or Mitch Goldman, there's almost no need to ever go over 25 on either Shadow or Highlight.
Agree on Matt, we've discussed his stuff here more than once, but which shots of Mitch's are you talking about?

Well let's take a look, as I don't recall any. Hmm, this one, maybe?

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But then, a guy who did this shot (or the others from that series) doesn't have too much basis on which to criticize others for processing

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Your shots looks rather "off." I'm personally OK with Mitch's but can see where someone else might not be.

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I don't think they look fake, in fact skies like this are common in the are common in the area
For over digital processing:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=292426

Now don't get me wrong, this is a cool shot, but is borderline HDR. It should just be consistent what is and is not acceptable.

Worse than that however is the overuse of the saturation slider, which in some cases makes colors have a radioactive hue, and some of the screeners own work is guilty of this.
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