Old 12-24-2006, 08:43 PM   #1
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Question Unlevel horizon????

I had this shot rejected for unlevel horizon. I didnt think they had much of anything to be able to even judge that.

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Appeal? Or is the horizon really unlevel?

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Old 12-24-2006, 08:46 PM   #2
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I checked for plumb by using the electrical tower in the background, it appears spot on level. The train is obviously rounding a curve, giving the appearance that it is crooked.
Nice shot.
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Old 12-25-2006, 12:19 AM   #3
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The trailing boxcars and a tree at the left margin are not vertical.

Fix that, of course, and the tower will be tilted.

For my tastes crop the bottom and left, but obviously the screener saw it differently!
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Old 12-25-2006, 02:31 AM   #4
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Well, remember that it is going around a sweeping corner, making the boxcars lean.

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Old 12-25-2006, 02:47 AM   #5
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This is one of those shots that's just not pleasing to the eye because it has the illusion of being unlevel, even if it's not. Not much you can do about it.

I recently had one of these type shots:
http://paulhamus.rrpicturearchives.n...aspx?id=595304

I leveled the train, but the background is unlevel. If I leveled the horizon, the train looks like it's leaning terribly to the left. My solution: not upload it here and remember not to shoot from that angle again!
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Old 12-25-2006, 03:11 AM   #6
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Ya, i see what you mean. But generally, judging with your eye finds it to be level, or atleast really close. Maybe it looks level to me because I was actually there, and not just looking at a place ive never been.

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Old 12-25-2006, 04:08 AM   #7
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Those trees on the left don't help either.
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Old 12-25-2006, 04:42 AM   #8
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Well, since we have a thread about unlevel horizon, I might as well bring this one up. My son took this photo this evening and it is unlevel. However, rotating it causes JPEG compression and the sky looks terrible. Does anyone have a program that won't cause this compression? (This is the original copy of the image.)

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Old 12-25-2006, 04:51 AM   #9
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Leveling it probably isn't going to be the fix. The bright light to the left is pretty distracting and there's alot of visible grain in the original. I know it's a night shot, but it's a tad dark...
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This is one of those shots that's just not pleasing to the eye because it has the illusion of being unlevel, even if it's not. Not much you can do about it.

I recently had one of these type shots:
http://paulhamus.rrpicturearchives.n...aspx?id=595304

I leveled the train, but the background is unlevel. If I leveled the horizon, the train looks like it's leaning terribly to the left. My solution: not upload it here and remember not to shoot from that angle again!
Not much you can do? Don't ever shoot that angle again?

I beg to differ!

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I thought it looked like it needed a slight counter clockwise adjustment. I also sharpened it a bit. The image now is slightly smaller than 1024x768 due to the slight rotation. What do you think?
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Old 12-25-2006, 06:04 PM   #12
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Chuck,

Thanks for the suggestion. To me though, it just feels that the image overall is off-kilter to the left. The train is over there and there's nothing to the right to 'balance' it. The old fence line is in the middle and that doesn't help. I don't know, maybe it's me, but that shot just doesn't look right...
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Thanks for the suggestion. To me though, it just feels that the image overall is off-kilter to the left. The train is over there and there's nothing to the right to 'balance' it. The old fence line is in the middle and that doesn't help. I don't know, maybe it's me, but that shot just doesn't look right...
I think thats its no so much the fence being in the middle as much as it isn't going left to right. That's exactly what you were talking about just explained a little differently. You're right on the money with the "that shot just doesn't look right" although I love the location and idea.
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Well, to proof that when you ask everyone for their opinion, it's possible you got as many opinions as people, I actually like the original shot. If it was rejected for "unlevel horizon," I would appeal. There may be other reasons it gets canned by RP -- underexposed, perhaps, but it might be this monitor at work -- but I like it as is.


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Old 12-28-2006, 03:35 AM   #15
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I thought it looked like it needed a slight counter clockwise adjustment. I also sharpened it a bit. The image now is slightly smaller than 1024x768 due to the slight rotation. What do you think?

Looks pretty good to me! Thanks Warren!

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Old 12-28-2006, 04:26 PM   #16
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Everything is fine with that pic. The curve is super-elevated and the train is leaning. The train is SUPPOSED to look crooked because IT IS.
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