Old 02-06-2008, 09:28 AM   #1
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What is the best to work on a photo to preserves the quality?

Touch up, then resize the dimensions and compress, OR resize the dimensions, touch up up and then compress? I suspect the latter - am I right?
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:10 AM   #2
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What is the best to work on a photo to preserves the quality?

Touch up, then resize the dimensions and compress, OR resize the dimensions, touch up up and then compress? I suspect the latter - am I right?
I do the latter, ending with sharpening.
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Old 02-06-2008, 03:12 PM   #3
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The very first thing I do before any processing is to rename the file. Save at the highest settings and then close out the original. Even when I was still shooting in JPEG only, I watned to kep the original files just as it came out of the camera. Now shooting in RAW only, I obviously have to convert anyway.

Actually, now that I think about it, I open in DPP, tweak the RAW settings as needed with saturation, brightness/contrast and sharpening, then I convert to JPEG and save at the highest settings. I make sure that when I close out of DPP, I do NOT save any changes to the files. They are stored as they came outof the camera.

Now I open the JPEGs in Elements and start processing from there. I try to shoot so I won't have to do any cropping. But sometimes, that's just not possible, so I crop and resize after I do whatever touch ups are needed. Depending on the file, I may size down incrementally and sharpen as I go. Other times, I resize down to 1024, 900 or 800 and then sharpen.


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Old 02-06-2008, 06:14 PM   #4
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The very first thing I do before any processing is to rename the file. Save at the highest settings and then close out the original.

Now I open the JPEGs in Elements and start processing from there.
Elements doesn't automatically "close" the original jpg when you do your first save as an Elements file?
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I process the RAW (white balance, vignetting, exposure, etc.) and save as a TIF to finish processing.

Then I edit: levels, replace color/saturation, rotate, crop, USM (100%, 0.5, 0), Image Size down to 1024x683, tad more USM (50%, 0.3-0.4, 0), Save As JPEG.
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I rotate, crop then resize. Then go about shrapening and level adjustments then save. Knowing my camera and what it needs I have a action in PS that crops, resizes, sharpens and adjust contrast last so I can adjust the level if need be. Then I do some final sharpening and level adjustments depending on the photo.
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I think the most important part of the whole process is to be sure you have a copy of the file. This isn't a problem for me since I shoot raw. This prevents an error like a bad crop or level adjustment from being a terminal error sometimes. I have also found that as my editing and post processing skills get better through practice I find ways to make old photos work when they wouldn't in the past.

My work order for the process starts with raw adjustments then jpg in DPP and conversion to jpg. Leveling (if needed) is the next step in the process. After the leveling is complete then I crop and adjust levels. The final steps are to resize and sharpen as needed until I reach 1024x768 or 800x600. Sometimes the order is changed a bit to fit individual picture needs.
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Levelling ?
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Levelling ?
Making the image level if you were slightly out of level when you took it.
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Thank you! I was thinking it had something to do with light density!
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Copy original from folder, and put it on the desktop
open copy, and level it in IRfanview, save as Tiff
open Tiff in Canon Zb Module, crop, and save as Tiff (I like to see the whole image I'm cropping, which doesn't work with a big file in irfanview)
open Tiff in IRfanview:

1. Resize
2. Contrast
3. Gamma
4. Saturation
5. RGB
6. Sharpen
7. Save as renamed jpeg

(If Needed) Open renamed jpeg in Noise Ninja, and remove noise
Save as jpeg

And my image is now ready to be uploaded, and rejected..

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I process the RAW (white balance, vignetting, exposure, etc.) and save as a TIF to finish processing.

Then I edit: levels, replace color/saturation, rotate, crop, USM (100%, 0.5, 0), Image Size down to 1024x683, tad more USM (50%, 0.3-0.4, 0), Save As JPEG.
Wow! All this time I thought you were doing 1024x768 crops!
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Wow! All this time I thought you were doing 1024x768 crops!
Nah, the sizing out of the XT is the 1024x683 ratio...however the SD1000 yields 1024x768. I'll crop the Elph to 1024x683 to fall more in line with the XT...
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I think its interesting to see how everybody does it a bit differently.

Edit Raw, Convert to Jpeg. Edit photos again touching up anything that needs it, maybe adjust the color or contrast a tad bit more, save final large copy. After that I crop it how ever the hell I want to, I dont worry about specific dimensions, set the resolution to 72, save as a jpg.
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1. Open image in Photoshop (otherwise nothing's going to happen).
2. Either open the grid or use judgement for rotating usually CCW.
3. Crop as I see fit.
4. Adjust levels.
5. Increase saturation.
6. Add 5-10 contrast and adjust brightness accordingly.
7. Adjust color balance if needed.
8. Dodge and burn what needs to be fixed.
9. Clone out lens flare or dust if any.
10. Resize to 1024 x whatever.
11. Unsharp mask 80-125, 0.6, 0
12. Save as Engine#_Location_PhotoDescription
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1. Open image in Photoshop (otherwise nothing's going to happen).
2. Either open the grid or use judgement for rotating usually CCW.
3. Crop as I see fit.
4. Adjust levels.
5. Increase saturation.
6. Add 5-10 contrast and adjust brightness accordingly.
7. Adjust color balance if needed.
8. Dodge and burn what needs to be fixed.
9. Clone out lens flare or dust if any.
10. Resize to 1024 x whatever.
11. Unsharp mask 80-125, 0.6, 0
12. Save as Engine#_Location_PhotoDescription
Wait...I missed the step where you convert from RAW...oh, yeah...I forgot...
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Wait...I missed the step where you convert from RAW...oh, yeah...I forgot...
Someone had to say it...

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