Old 03-09-2008, 10:08 PM   #1
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I ran into fellow photographer and forum contributor John Ryan yesterday while chasing a retro-belle unit grain train. Given the fact that there were four of us (my buddy Andrew Ryan, and John's uncle [name escapes me] were also there) shooting this train, I figured I'd go for the "other" angle. Would you appeal the photo? Obviously I have quite a few shots of that train, but I figured it'd be nice to share the fun of submitting the pictures here.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:22 PM   #2
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I'd let it go...
In order for an out of focus shot or subject to work the subject typically needs to be way out of focus. Here, it just looks like JR is out of focus without intention.

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Old 03-09-2008, 11:04 PM   #3
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Hindsight being what it is and Monday morning quarterbacking being pretty easy, you could have shot it vertically, getting lowerto the ground, putting John in focus and blurring the oncoming train. Mitch hit onit in what he said, but in the shot you loaded, it looks like putting John in the shot was accidental.


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Attached are the three images I shot with this composition (straight from the camera, obviously they need some post processing) - John didn't get his camera up until I after I focused on the train, unfortunately.

W/ regards to the armchair quarterbacking, I was about as low as I could get on this shot - I was kneeling on wet pavement, so I couldn't have gotten any lower without a change of clothes. I was also foolish enough to think I could get away with having a 70-200 as the only lens I would need... big mistake.

Next time I do a shot like that I'll have to open the aperture a bit more.
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Old 03-10-2008, 04:15 AM   #5
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Nick,

I know you used the one you did because it was the only one where you could see a bit of John's camera, but to most people, all you are seeing is an out of focus person squatting in front of a train. If John were a bit more in profile, with his camera up, getting the shot, then people might be willing to deal with either John or the train being slightly out of focus. As it is, email a copy to John and keep this one for your personal collection.

Thanks for sharing it though, since it was interesting to discover how many RP contributors were out chasing that train! I was expecting you to mention Michael Biehn as well!

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Didn't know Michael Biehn was out there too. It was especially surprising to me because I've been living in Oklahoma for 4.5 years now (going to school and moving back to MN in the spring), and had no idea how amazing the scenery was down there (according to Wikipedia, the Ouachita's are the only real mountains between the rockies and Appalachia - who knew?). To run into another guy who I already "knew" and see such a nice looking train was a real treat.

I've given up on that shot now, thanks for the input guys. I guess I'll have to take pleasure in another learning experience...

Oh, my buddy, Andrew Ryan - no relation to John - got this shot accepted:

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Just guessing on Mike Biehn. He's done a bunch of KCS shots previously and he really gets around!

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Old 03-13-2008, 03:08 AM   #8
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I would have made the person in focus and the train out of focus if you wanted the person to be a feature.
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