Old 09-19-2011, 03:43 PM   #1
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Besides the other shot I have been working on, I have managed to pile on 6 rejections and one accepted.

Here are the other rejections

undersharpened (soft)
composition balance

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=967763&key=0

bad cropping
unsharpened (soft)
composition balance

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=865963424

I understand the bad cropping, but i have another shot from the same location that shows exactly whats missing, which is why I shot it the way I did. Note this is an unedited version from my personal collection since I got cloud F'ed

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Next up on the rejection train is this one

Bad Cropping

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=968252&key=0

I'm thinking too much sky, here is a rework that I havent submitted yet
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Undersharpened (soft)

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=968588&key=0

and lastly

Bad Cropping
Size (Dimensions)

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=968590&key=0

I know the screeners dont like centered trains, but I had no idea how to shoot this shot to keep the train from getting under the water tower. the only space left on the left is a chainlink fence at the ATSF depot (which I am shooting through with my P&S) any ideas?
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Old 09-19-2011, 04:05 PM   #2
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Nathan,

I'm noticing a trend of very mediocre images, in terms of quality. The light is decent most of the time and the composition is sub par, with some work, but the quality is really borderline acceptable, particularly the last one in question. I haven't screened any of yours, but you may want to tone back the ISO or make some type of in-camera adjustments to help improve the quality.

What type of camera are you using?

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Old 09-19-2011, 04:15 PM   #3
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A couple of those should be easily fixable. for example, the last one you have way too much wasteland in the foreground. We don't need to see that. Properly cropped that should be no problem. The first one, that huge pole dead center kills it. With loco 8862, cropping is poor, first too tight on bottom and then too tight on left.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:24 PM   #4
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A couple of those should be easily fixable. for example, the last one you have way too much wasteland in the foreground. We don't need to see that. Properly cropped that should be no problem. The first one, that huge pole dead center kills it. With loco 8862, cropping is poor, first too tight on bottom and then too tight on left.
Ok with the 8862 I had to get rid of the shadow of the bridge I was under

Here is a sized down original with no work done
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I have a couple of pics from the location with the giant pole, so this one will go in the rubbish heap

Anyone know how to change the settings on my camera, i have yet to figure it out everyone has said change iso or compression but i havent found anywhere in the settings to change that. Maybe someday I will get a DSLR and can learn something that alot easier to mess with.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:29 PM   #5
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The instruction manual might be a good place to start:

http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/...L18_L16_en.pdf
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Like Chase said, these seem to just be another set of mediocre (or poor, both words come to mind) images that really aren't all that interesting.
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Besides the other shot I have been working on, I have managed to pile on 6 rejections and one accepted.

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undersharpened (soft)
composition balance

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=967763&key=0
Something to consider the next time you shoot a train at this location: either go down more to the right (looks like you're on a dirt road) or zoom in more to capture the train in this location. That tall pole is a scene killer.
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and lastly

Bad Cropping
Size (Dimensions)

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=968590&key=0

I know the screeners dont like centered trains, but I had no idea how to shoot this shot to keep the train from getting under the water tower. the only space left on the left is a chainlink fence at the ATSF depot (which I am shooting through with my P&S) any ideas?
The train placement is about as good as it can be. The problem is your framing/cropping. You need to go tighter with this, and also change your cropping ratio to 3:2 (1024 x 683). You seem to be stuck on this taller ratio you're using in a lot of your pics which is really unnecessary as it creates a lot of useless space at the top and bottom.

This is a 3:2 crop:
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Something to consider the next time you shoot a train at this location: either go down more to the right (looks like you're on a dirt road) or zoom in more to capture the train in this location. That tall pole is a scene killer.
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The train placement is about as good as it can be. The problem is your framing/cropping. You need to go tighter with this, and also change your cropping ratio to 3:2 (1024 x 683). You seem to be stuck on this taller ratio you're using in a lot of your pics which is really unnecessary as it creates a lot of useless space at the top and bottom.

This is a 3:2 crop:
Thanks Jim on both counts, For the first location I cant zoom in anymore than that. So I wont try it again until I get a better camera.

I, for some dumb reason, thought the house added to the shot, by looking at your crop it really doesnt add to it. I will rework it and see what happens next. Any idea on the other ones?
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Thanks Jim on both counts, For the first location I cant zoom in anymore than that. So I wont try it again until I get a better camera.
Can you go down that dirt road visible in the bottom corner of the frame or is it railroad property?
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Not dumb, you were just seeing more of the big picture. The elevator and water tower are two elements that work well in this scene, so try to focus on those.

Didn't have any thoughts about the other ones (other than the cropping ratio).
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Thanks again Jim for all the help apparently I cant do anything else with these (according to the screeners) so they are off to the trash pile. I will keep trying though
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That's the best thing you can do. Keep trying, keep getting better, and sooner or later you'll have a winner!
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Thanks again Jim for all the help apparently I cant do anything else with these (according to the screeners) so they are off to the trash pile. I will keep trying though
You should definitely redo the Canyon water tower/grain elevator shot. Where exactly is that in town (nearby cross street)?
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You should definitely redo the Canyon water tower/grain elevator shot. Where exactly is that in town (nearby cross street)?
I redid it and got rejected for PIQ
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=784141282

Same story for the 8862
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=822821955

As for the location its off of 2nd Ave and 10th St. in Canyon
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As for the location its off of 2nd Ave and 10th St. in Canyon
Yeah, that's pretty bad image quality. It looks like you edited it from the original rejection instead of going back and reprocessing the original file.

I'm trying to find that spot on google maps satellite, but I'm not having any luck. I'm looking at the tracks right near where 10th and 2nd are, but I can't quite figure out where you were standing with the track configuration. Basically I'm trying to figure out what time of the year the sun would be at the best angle for that shot, as the side of the train isn't lit very well. Is that train heading east or west?
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Here is a google map shot of the area, where the little human symbol is where I shot from, there is a chainlink fence there so I shot through it with my P&S

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As for the post processing, I am using PSE 9 now, (was using CS2) biggest difference, and I think may be the reason behind the bad quality is the fact I cant adjust the contrast like I did in CS2. All I could find is Auto Contrast, which I think may do to much. Can anyone explain how to fix the contrast manually?

As for the train it is eastbound around 10:30 AM on 8/26 (close to High Sun I know)
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As for the train it is eastbound around 10:30 AM on 8/26 (close to High Sun I know)
Looks like your best sun angle for an eastbound train will be around 10am in mid-December.
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Looks like your best sun angle for an eastbound train will be around 10am in mid-December.
Ok I will try and remember that
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As for the post processing, I am using PSE 9 now, (was using CS2) biggest difference, and I think may be the reason behind the bad quality is the fact I cant adjust the contrast like I did in CS2. All I could find is Auto Contrast, which I think may do to much. Can anyone explain how to fix the contrast manually?
Enhance / Adjust Lighting / Brightness Contrast

also look at Enhance / Adjust Lighting / Levels
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Thanks J, I will take another look and see if I can make the pics any better
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