Old 12-05-2011, 06:16 PM   #1
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Default Foreground clutter? I can't see any!

I can hardly understand why the picture below has been rejected for "Foreground clutter". It could be common power or cloudy day or any other reason, but where is the Foreground clutter?

Please help me to identify it. As usual, many thanks in advance for your input.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:19 PM   #2
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That very large and obvious gate in the foreground.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:30 PM   #3
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I have never understood the RP-"right" vs. RP-"wrong" way to do a crossing gate shot. I stumbled into one recently, I took it the way I wanted to and RP accepted, but I can offer no guidance on what works for RP.

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In particular, I have never made the gate+train shot, tighter in than the crossing scene in the thumbnail, work for RP. Guidance welcomed!

I think the shot in question is fine. I can see RP rejecting for blah light, that is what RP does sometimes, but I don't see a problem with the composition.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:30 PM   #4
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Daniel;

I suppose you're really asking us if we consider the gate to be foreground clutter and not that you don't actually see it in the shot. I see what you were trying to do in the shot and in my opinion, it does not distract from the shot. I have seen others do similiar things and get in the database. So the question then becomes why yours didn't. No answer there. It's not what I would call a great shot, but it's not bad either. I do suspect if you had framed it slightly differently and got the whole bar down instead of cutting it off, then you might have got it in.

So, you could appeal or you could let it go.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:33 PM   #5
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I find the gate so large and in my face I have a hard time focusing on the train.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:51 PM   #6
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Do you have a shot that doesn't have the gate so 'in your face'?
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:53 PM   #7
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Daniel;

I suppose you're really asking us if we consider the gate to be foreground clutter and not that you don't actually see it in the shot. I see what you were trying to do in the shot and in my opinion, it does not distract from the shot. I have seen others do similiar things and get in the database. So the question then becomes why yours didn't. No answer there. It's not what I would call a great shot, but it's not bad either. I do suspect if you had framed it slightly differently and got the whole bar down instead of cutting it off, then you might have got it in.

So, you could appeal or you could let it go.
Thanks for your reply Joe.
I will try to crop the picture in a different way and include the whole bar instead of cutting it. If it will not work like this, I will file it.
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I like it as it is. Personally I would try and appeal.
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Do you have a shot that doesn't have the gate so 'in your face'?
Ditto

Maybe better wording of the rejection in this case would be 'Foreground Distraction'. Compare to J's thumbnail and you should see. I am curios to see how your new crop looks. Hope it works. That's an interesting loco with the all red bottom.
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I think the problem is that the gate is just awkwardly placed in the foreground. It's not obstructing the train, but it does look weird.
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Lots of things you can do with a crossing gate:

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In the case of your shot, the crossing gate doesn't appear to be an important or really intended element in the composition----thus it goes from being something you might have wanted as "framing" to just "foreground clutter." I suppose that's how the screener saw it, at least.
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Many thanks to all of you guys for your comments. I have appealed the reject from yesterday, so I will have to wait for the reply. If the appeal is rejected, I will try a different crop with the whole crossing gate in the picture as suggested by some of you.
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I think that the problem is that the gate is too close to the bottom of the train. Just for future reference, if you were to try this again, have more space in between the gate and train, in my opinion.
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Apparently the Screener did not like the new crop including the complete crossing gate. Now it has been rejected for bad cropping.

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Apparently the Screener did not like the new crop including the complete crossing gate. Now it has been rejected for bad cropping.

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I guess it's time to give it up. And like I said last time, if you really like this picture, next time move closer to the gate and have it further from the train.
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Apparently the Screener did not like the new crop including the complete crossing gate. Now it has been rejected for bad cropping.

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Can you take some off the bottom and add some on top?

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Can you take some off the bottom and add some on top?

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Unfortunately, I do not have much more room available at the top. As suggested by Kevin, it is time to file this picture. Thanks again to all of you for your help.
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Apparently the Screener did not like the new crop including the complete crossing gate. Now it has been rejected for bad cropping.

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That's a great shot the way you have it cropped now. Both crossbucks and the colorful gate add a nice balance and perspective to the scene. It gives me the feeling that I'm actually there standing in back of the gate when I look at the pic. It's too bad they rejected it.

Edit: I just realized as I looked at it on my droid that it's a wide and short crop. Not sure if my screen is cutting off some of the image though.
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Apparently the Screener did not like the new crop including the complete crossing gate. Now it has been rejected for bad cropping.

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That's a shame, because the new version looks fine. Here we are once again, picking the flies out of the buttermilk....
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That's a great shot the way you have it cropped now. Both crossbucks and the colorful gate add a nice balance and perspective to the scene. It gives me the feeling that I'm actually there standing in back of the gate when I look at the pic. It's too bad they rejected it.

Edit: I just realized as I looked at it on my droid that it's a wide and short crop. Not sure if my screen is cutting off some of the image though.
1024x725 according to the image data...

I also think the second one is an excellent image as well.
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That's a shame, because the new version looks fine. Here we are once again, picking the flies out of the buttermilk....
For once in several weeks, I totally agree with you.

Aside from the sinfully ugly crossing , I think the shot is fine as is...

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Aside from the sinfully ugly crossing , I think the shot is fine as is...

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The crossing is ugly but I think Daniel is trying to show the contrast between the Narrow gauge train and the modernized signalling. former East Germany is one of the few places to see narrow gauge steam in regular revenue service. I think the shot works well to tell that story though I'd ideally prefer more vertical room between the gate and locomotive.
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If the photo is 725 pixels high, he can take enough off the bottom to about 650 pixels and that will take the subject out of the middle. That might work.

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The crossing is ugly but I think Daniel is trying to show the contrast between the Narrow gauge train and the modernized signalling.
Didn't even notice it was narrow guage. Ahh, screw it...reject it!!

Uh oh...

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