Old 12-20-2010, 11:23 AM   #1
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This one mystifies me, First one rejected for overexposed:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=660421703
Ok, well, I bump the levels down a tad and added a little contrast and now it's underexposed:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=501248870
Which one is it? I didnt think the original was too bad, and put a lot of selective contrast into the second one (buildings, tops of locomotives, ballast).

This one got cropping:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=147328908
I wanted to include the cliffs in the distance, I realize it is kind of a far distance from the train to the top of that mountain but I dont think it's too bad, is it?

Another Cropping:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=808010269
Too tight?
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:01 PM   #2
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The first one was definitely overexposed...the white on the lead unit looks totally blown out to me. The rework is much better, I'm not real sure why they kicked it for underexposed. The white portions on the sides of the three trailing units still look a little overexposed to me, as does the white portion of the closest building. I don't see anything that should disqualify this shot from the database though. I'm curious why you went to B&W for this?

The telesmash I think is just too tight all around.

On the vertical, I see what you were trying to do, but I think it would have worked better if you let the train get closer to the camera.
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This one mystifies me, First one rejected for overexposed:
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I think its to much contrast Troy. Take the cream? ( white ) down till its has a gray tone and work from there. The others just have the train to low for them, Not that thats bad just may not get past them. Why as I think others will say he got that on and so why wont you get my badly cropped photo on is part of it.
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I'm curious why you went to B&W for this?
I knew someone would ask, I did because the sky looked so bad in the color version. There was plenty of sun, but the sky looked really ugly. You are right on the white on the trailing units, I didnt adjust it on them.
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I think its to much contrast Troy. Take the cream? ( white ) down till its has a gray tone and work from there.
Not really knowing much about the in's and out's of B&W photography, I have attempted a couple B&W shots on here and had some interesting comments on my attempts.

One mentioned something to the effect of "A B&W shots should have black and white, all I see is gray", now you are saying needs to be more of a gray tone.

I am kind of at a loss on a successful strategy here.

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Why as I think others will say he got that on and so why wont you get my badly cropped photo on is part of it.
??? Not getting this
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"A B&W shots should have black and white, all I see is gray", now you are saying needs to be more of a gray tone.

I am kind of at a loss on a successful strategy here.

??? Not getting this
google B&W zone system.
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Any other comments on the second one? Is the general consensus that there is too much spacial separation from the locomotive to the top of the mountain?
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This one mystifies me, First one rejected for overexposed:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=660421703
Ok, well, I bump the levels down a tad and added a little contrast and now it's underexposed:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=501248870
Which one is it? I didnt think the original was too bad, and put a lot of selective contrast into the second one (buildings, tops of locomotives, ballast).

This one got cropping:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=147328908
I wanted to include the cliffs in the distance, I realize it is kind of a far distance from the train to the top of that mountain but I dont think it's too bad, is it?

Another Cropping:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=808010269
Too tight?
As mentioned, the first one is overexposed, the white is too bright. The underexposed, maybe increase it a hair or 2...?

The bad cropping one, the train is in the bottom of the frame and you have all that up top in the photo. Maybe try and balance the cropping?

Last one I could not view, as no ID matches this number

Just my opinion more or less.
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From recent posts my cropping abilities are non-existant but I would suggest removing the signal on the right and then cropping along the bottom to leave engine and coaches dominated by the cliffs in the background if this is what you are trying to show. the signal draws attention to the foreground imo.
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From recent posts my cropping abilities are non-existant but I would suggest removing the signal on the right and then cropping along the bottom to leave engine and coaches dominated by the cliffs in the background if this is what you are trying to show. the signal draws attention to the foreground imo.
That actually looks better honestly.
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Any other comments on the second one? Is the general consensus that there is too much spacial separation from the locomotive to the top of the mountain?
Troy FWIW i like the shot just fine as it is sometimes it just doesn't happen.
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From recent posts my cropping abilities are non-existant but I would suggest removing the signal on the right and then cropping along the bottom to leave engine and coaches dominated by the cliffs in the background if this is what you are trying to show. the signal draws attention to the foreground imo.
Thats way too tight on the right, I am reworking a different frame now. I wish I was on the inside of the curve or I would have better cropping abilities, but the light wasnt on my side.
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How about this:


I would crop to just to the left of that code line pole but due to arbitrary file size restrictions, I was out of tolerance and needed to throw some "fluff in there...
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I would crop to just to the left of that code line pole but due to arbitrary file size restrictions, I was out of tolerance and needed to throw some "fluff in there...
That's nice. I think you can crop in no problem, you can go to 4:5 with no problem. You are at 1024x766 now, you can crop in the left and get to 957x766 (I would resize to 1024x whatever).
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The thing is I would be too tall with what I wanted to do, 1024x833 or something like that, which they would reject. What do you think of the composition, if I was to take about 3/4 of an inch off the left
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This one got underexposed again. Ironic because it's the same exposure as the original which got overexposed. Just with some added some contrast to the locomotives.
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FYI, the consist looks TERRIBLY unnatural. The burgundy on the cars is darker than the black on them. That is real bad.
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I would crop to just to the left of that code line pole but due to arbitrary file size restrictions, I was out of tolerance and needed to throw some "fluff in there...
Hey, that's pretty nice. I'd clean up the nose of that loco before submitting, though. Lots of dirt spots that can easily be cloned out.
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The dirt spots on the nose I tried to remove on a couple earlier photos and it ended up looking ugly so I have been leaving them, maybe I will try again on these and resubmit.
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The dirt spots on the nose I tried to remove on a couple earlier photos and it ended up looking ugly so I have been leaving them, maybe I will try again on these and resubmit.
Seriously? The clone tool can leave that nose looking spotless. All of about a minute's work.

I just looked at the rest of your shots and I'm amazed that in at least a five day period they didn't clean the spots off the nose of the loco. Also, it appears they need to do some touch up on the rectangle shaped thing just above the knuckle. How would that lose paint?
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What are your thoughts on this? I tried in color and it looked really bad, lighting was not the best, but I think it could go in B&W. This was a slightly "wrong side" light shot and color just did not look very good.
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For me a BW with a bad sky is not worth doing. If you can't do something about the upper left, eliminate the blown out look, get some cloud definition, I say put it aside.
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