Old 02-26-2009, 10:40 PM   #1
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Alright guys, I tried this one yesterday, and oddly enough, I got a rejection that left a little bit of hope. I was expecting a bad angle, as I just wasn't too thrilled about shooting from this location, but the lighting, and the quality seemed decent, so I went ahead and submitted it. I got the bad cropping rejection, and I'm assuming I have the answer to my own question..

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1050723149

I'd imagine I left too much dead space at the bottom, correct? I figured that was my problem, but wanted to go ahead and see what some of you thought of the photo.

As always, thanks in advance.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:49 PM   #2
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If they don't like the cropping of the image as it is (and I think it's rather nice, myself), I think you're going to have a challenge. To me, the foreground is less of a problem than the empty sky. If you reduce the empty space anywhere, you're going to have to cut the tree on the right out completely to keep the proper proportions, and that's going to lose you the only object of interest outside of the train, unfortunately. I'm not saying there's not a recrop they'll take, but I'm not sure what it would be.

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I'm not sure how you deal with this without getting a bad ratio, or cutting out too much train, but your problem is WAY TOO MUCH SKY.
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If they don't like the cropping of the image as it is (and I think it's rather nice, myself), I think you're going to have a challenge. To me, the foreground is less of a problem than the empty sky. If you reduce the empty space anywhere, you're going to have to cut the tree on the right out completely to keep the proper proportions, and that's going to lose you the only object of interest outside of the train, unfortunately. I'm not saying there's not a recrop they'll take, but I'm not sure what it would be.

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Thanks Jon for the reply. It's definitely an interesting area to work with. I didn't want to have to cut off the train, as it seems I usually get the "bad angle" reject when doing so, and I personally thought the train curving off into the trees looked pretty neat. James Butler (fellow RP.net contributor) has had several photos accepted into the DB from that location, except he included the signals, which were located just to the left of the lead locomotive. I may try future compositon, and frame the image with the signal pole to the left, and the tree to the right.

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Old 02-26-2009, 11:23 PM   #5
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I'm not sure how you deal with this without getting a bad ratio, or cutting out too much train, but your problem is WAY TOO MUCH SKY.
It may just have to be one of those locations I have to let go. The only way to keep from getting too much sky would be if I moved slightly closer to the tracks, and focused on him coming around the wye. I'm not certain as to how lighting is for that scecific angle as well.

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I think you should move, more to the right, to get more of the road into the shot and maybe shoot the train 1 1/2 car lengths back. My opinion : )
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Also, bear with me cause I'm only nitpicking but, there is no such thing as an " empty coal train ". You can have an empty hopper train but, not an " empty coal train "!
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I think you should move, more to the right, to get more of the road into the shot and maybe shoot the train 1 1/2 car lengths back. My opinion : )
Thanks Walter. It's the only place to shoot westbounds in the early morning hours, so I hope to atleast make a couple more trips up there.

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Also, bear with me cause I'm only nitpicking but, there is no such thing as an " empty coal train ". You can have an empty hopper train but, not an " empty coal train "!
Heh, that's true. I guess it's just out of habit. Almost every single train that heads up there, comes back off loaded with coal. I'll have to start correcting myself from now on though.

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Old 02-27-2009, 06:11 AM   #10
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We do run empty coal trains on my railroad, and besides, that looks like an empty gondola train, not an empty hopper train...those cars don't have doors on the bottom.

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I think you should move, more to the right, to get more of the road into the shot and maybe shoot the train 1 1/2 car lengths back. My opinion : )
Agreed - use the road and some of those trees to your advantage with the shot. I'm assuming something will be planted in that little "field" come Spring as well...getting something in there would add to the scene too, IMHO.
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We do run empty coal trains on my railroad, and besides, that looks like an empty gondola train, not an empty hopper train...those cars don't have doors on the bottom.
They are definately hoppers. Aren't these ones called clam shell?
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They are definately hoppers. Aren't these ones called clam shell?
OK, here we go! And I am not even an equipment-oriented railfan!

A hopper car has hoppers underneath, for letting the product out the bottom. A gondola car does not. What I think is not widely appreciated is that a lot of coal travels in gondola cars. I think that is because gondolas traditionally had low side walls and hopper cars had high walls. Coal gondolas have high side walls, and can look like hoppers, especially when the bottoms are dropped down in between the trucks for more capacity.

For example, here is the "Beth-Gon" from FreightCar America:

http://www.freightcaramerica.com/Aluminum-BethGonII.htm

Also see this

http://www.csx.com/?fuseaction=custo...detail&i=1766#

The cars in the shot appear to me to be coal gondolas, though at that distance I will not claim to be at all sure. And besides, I am not an equipment guy.
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Agreed - use the road and some of those trees to your advantage with the shot. I'm assuming something will be planted in that little "field" come Spring as well...getting something in there would add to the scene too, IMHO.
Indeed, the owner usually has a variety of things in the garden throughout the spring and summer, I'm just not certain as to how the lighting will be.

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Chase, If I was you'd id give more room on the left. Cause with the telephone pole cut off like it is, Its rather distracting. Just my opinion!
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Also, bear with me cause I'm only nitpicking but, there is no such thing as an " empty coal train ". You can have an empty hopper train but, not an " empty coal train "!
....and you can only have a coal hopper train because a coal train just doesn't make sense. I mean how would you keep the coal behind the locomotives without the hoppers?
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Still, regardless if the car is a hopper or gondola, the concept of the particular car was designed to handle other lading than just coal. So, empty hopper train OR empty high side gondola train would work. And I'm done...
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....and you can only have a coal hopper train because a coal train just doesn't make sense. I mean how would you keep the coal behind the locomotives without the hoppers?

It would be done VERY carefully! LOL!
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Also, bear with me cause I'm only nitpicking but, there is no such thing as an " empty coal train ". You can have an empty hopper train but, not an " empty coal train "!
The title of the train is "coal train," as in, that's what it hauls. If it's empty, then it's an "empty coal train."

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I think the angle is actually pretty good, but there's wayyyyy to much space in every direction except left. If you've got the pixels, try cropping so only one and a half cars behind the engine are visible.
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The title of the train is "coal train," as in, that's what it hauls. If it's empty, then it's an "empty coal train."

End of lesson.

I don't need lessons on railroading, but thanks!
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Wasn't giving you a lesson on railroading, but rather, a lesson on semantics.
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Still, regardless if the car is a hopper or gondola, the concept of the particular car was designed to handle other lading than just coal. So, empty hopper train OR empty high side gondola train would work. And I'm done...
Well (and I wasn't correcting you on hopper/gondola but rather EMT) ... in a mood to nit-pick ...

If the car was just made, say it is a new BethGon, then it in fact was "designed" specifically for coal as that is who buys pretty much all high-side gondolas of those types.(wood chip cars have higher sides, for example). So while it can handle other lading, that is not the "concept" of those new cars.
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Well (and I wasn't correcting you on hopper/gondola but rather EMT) ... in a mood to nit-pick ...

If the car was just made, say it is a new BethGon, then it in fact was "designed" specifically for coal as that is who buys pretty much all high-side gondolas of those types.(wood chip cars have higher sides, for example). So while it can handle other lading, that is not the "concept" of those new cars.
This is true! However, I was talking about high side gons and open top hoppers in general.
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So while it can handle other lading, that is not the "concept" of those new cars.
I must say, that is the first time in my life I've ever heard of that word. Never heard it used in a sentence nor have I ever read it in a sentence. You learn something new every day here!
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