Old 05-29-2007, 10:18 PM   #1
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Question To crop this one right, yes, but how ?

Hello,

After lots of rejections, I'd like to know how to get this one accepted ?

I consider this one as one of my best "train in the nature"-shots (thus my experience in these shots is small yet, ever more concentrated to get these trains neatly framed... I start a new learning process), but at RailPictures, you seem not to agree with me: "Bad cropping"... again and again.

After the third trial, my nerves are down - I am smashed [ You may believe this and then accept my picture - this would arrange things! ].

The reality is that :
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Maybe that there is'nt any possibility, because the proportions of that train are simply too small, then I would have to give up this picture, but I believe the shot has "it".

First trial:

I made a second trial in high format which turned out in a nearly square picture, also as I got slightly wrong in the dimensions ...

Today my third trial:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=791172117

To better see the possibilities of the original picture, here a sample of it:



Now let me know, if there is hope !
Thanks, Kilroy1313 !


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Old 05-29-2007, 10:30 PM   #2
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No need to include any of the sky since it's blown out white. There's also alot of dead space on the left. To get things to fall under the law of thirds, how about (keeping in mind more of the water on the bottom would be better):
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:36 PM   #3
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Agree with Ween, except that, since there is in fact more water in one of the versions (not the one he started working with, I guess), you want to include at least enough water that you include the entirety of the reflection of the leftmost tree lower left.

I might also crop yet a bit more from the left and top than he did.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:41 PM   #4
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Good call, J, that's why I added tha caveat about leaving more water in any future attempts. The reason I left so much on the left was aspect ratio (600x400). But visually, even though there is less to look at than the rejected photos, it's a more effective crop to narrow the view (i.e. cut out the tops of the mountains)...
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:43 PM   #5
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Default This looks good !

From my angle, I felt obliged to show it all, as an entire story, knowing that this crying white sky is deviating attention from main subject.

Its a learning process, to break out of these old habits and to change them.

Seems, that's why I'm here !

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Old 05-29-2007, 10:48 PM   #6
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From my angle, I felt obliged to show it all, as an entire story, knowing that this crying white sky is deviating attention from main subject.
Sometimes when things don't work or are distracting, you gotta call an ugly baby an ugly baby. As the photographer, you tell the story how you want it to be told...not by what you feel obligated to show! You dircect the focus...that's why cropping is such a powerful and important part of the hobby...
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:07 PM   #7
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That truly is a train in nature. I like the picture a lot but I can why some cropping is needed; not enough focus on the train for it to be train picture.
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:18 AM   #8
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Nice job!

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Old 05-31-2007, 12:21 AM   #9
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That truly is a train in nature. I like the picture a lot but I can why some cropping is needed; not enough focus on the train for it to be train picture.
Now that I can agree with. And his crop worked great for this scene.

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Nice job!
I agree. The reflection is fantastic.
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:17 PM   #10
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Smile This was a good experience

Now I'm really satisfied, getting this pic accepted.

I thank all who gave me a little help with it, without which, I think, I wouldn't have done it, the way that I was stuck in my view-angle of how this picture should have been.

The day of my Saar river shot I got out to show you some very nice scenic locations from our greater region.
I had this picture in mind: Icy Great Salt Lake, USA you may laugh now, because the comparision doesen't match, our mountains here are a bit smaller .
It must be the first time I took such a water-mirror shot with a train.

A lot of work remains in getting the planned landscape views right, so I could post them... seems I'll have to return another time there.
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