Old 05-28-2007, 06:41 PM   #1
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Here are two takes on the same shot. What do you think? One is wider to bring in a sign I like to work with, but seems more cluttered or busy or something. And the power is close to the center. The other is cropped more. I have a taste for busy more than most, and this is my "home location" so it is hard for me to be objective.

I am passing it by here for an initial opinion. Fell free to comment regarding both RP acceptance and general photo quality.

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Old 05-28-2007, 06:50 PM   #2
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The first one suffers from the first sign that is turned away from us and it's placement in front of the underbelly of the second loco.

The second shot suffers more from that sign and the handicapped sign. It's just too busy, I think.

What I might would have done is to let the train come into the frame a little more and then to crop it like the first one.

But, of course, that might be just me Monday morning quarterbacking.


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The second one is framed by the Eastbound Trains sign on the right and the Handicapped sign on the left, but the framing just doesn't work in my opinion. I know the effect was to have the Handicapped sign out of focus, but it's too much of a distraction for me. It makes me wonder if I need Lasik or PRK surgery on my eyes.

And when it's cropped closer like the first one, the sign obstructing the second unit like Joe mentioned becomes more of a distraction.
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You don't want my opinion, but I'll give it to you anyways! Besides the obvious high sun? The handicap sign in the second photo on the left side kills it for me. But then so does the sign in the middle on both shots. This should be something you can work around though, maybe, possibly?
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Thanks, everyone, I have chosen to "walk away" from this one.
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Thanks, everyone, I have chosen to "walk away" from this one.
Try walking to the other side of the fence.
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Old 05-29-2007, 05:26 PM   #7
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This angle is much, much better, IMO:

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Nice job!
Thanks, Chris!

More to come as I submit more angles from my collection of Gaithersburg shots. I went through my 2005 shots over the weekend and have more to submit. In 2006 I started visiting G less often in favor of other places; most of (the good ones of) those shots are already in.

It has been a lot of fun to go back through my large set of shots from the same location and see the variety that is possible. It has been less fun, but quite valuable in the long run, to see those shots now and realize what made the bad ones bad. Lots more, and worse, than the pair I started this thread with.

But now I have a bunch of shooting ideas for future visits that I either screwed up previously or figured out while I was looking at other shots.
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This angle is much, much better, IMO:

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Holy cow, Janusz. And you're worrying about theotehr shots. This one is very, very cool.


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Holy cow, Janusz. And you're worrying about theotehr shots. This one is very, very cool.
It's so strange to read that! To me this is just a run of the mill, ordinary Gaithersburg shot.

Well, not run of the mill, as I usually shoot from the station area. For this I have to walk a few yards to a more distant spot and grab the tele, but it doesn't require a whole bunch of thinking or envisioning or whatever. Just go to a spot, choose a lens for what I might call "standard" coverage of a scene, and shoot!

Glad you like it!
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With a scene like that, you don't get too crazy. You just shoot it. There are times and places to get more creative and times and places to record what's there. I'm not going to say this is one of the better shots on the database, but in comparision with the two linked above, it's heads and shoulders above.


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I'm not going to say this is one of the better shots on the database, but in comparision with the two linked above, it's heads and shoulders above.
Understood, and thanks. It's so much harder for me to critically evaluate my own stuff than anyone else's, so I appreciate the clarity from everybody.
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It's so much harder for me to critically evaluate my own stuff than anyone else's, so I appreciate the clarity from everybody.
I've proven to be the same way. I'm still trying to get this shot into the database. I just cn't let it go..... yet.

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Somehow I got the date wrong in the above rejected shot. Not just the date, but the year AND the century.


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It's so strange to read that! To me this is just a run of the mill, ordinary Gaithersburg shot.

Well, not run of the mill, as I usually shoot from the station area. For this I have to walk a few yards to a more distant spot and grab the tele, but it doesn't require a whole bunch of thinking or envisioning or whatever. Just go to a spot, choose a lens for what I might call "standard" coverage of a scene, and shoot!

Glad you like it!
The one you got accepted is very good, so I don't blame you for walking away from the other one. However, the one in the database is heavily BACKLIT. How you'd get away with THAT one?? Paying the screeners off, are you?
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The one you got accepted is very good, so I don't blame you for walking away from the other one. However, the one in the database is heavily BACKLIT. How you'd get away with THAT one?? Paying the screeners off, are you?
Well, it's heavily SIDELIT and in particular the nose is lit. I think I get away with it because the train is a relatively small part of the overall scene and, thus, the part in shadow is a relatively small part of the scene. Had it been a tighter wedgie, I think it would have been rejected.
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Well, it's heavily SIDELIT and in particular the nose is lit. I think I get away with it because the train is a relatively small part of the overall scene and, thus, the part in shadow is a relatively small part of the scene. Had it been a tighter wedgie, I think it would have been rejected.
It's definitely a good scene, and I like the blossoming tree over to the left. Have you tried any vantage points from the bridge in the background, or even the parking ramp?
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It's definitely a good scene, and I like the blossoming tree over to the left. Have you tried any vantage points from the bridge in the background, or even the parking ramp?
Yes. None of the shots toward my position in the shot in question have been successful, and of late my son has lost interest in heading up that way. There is always a balancing in our outings between where I want to be and where he wants to be, and maybe sometimes I am a bit too indulgent. Also, from the pedestrian bridge, EB trains are sounding their horns as they pass underneath and it is LOUD, louder than trackside, it seems.

Also, our outings have tended to be AM because of his nap. Just this past weekend, however, he decided he was done with naps and now this location is doable for afternoon sun, and, thanks for the reminder, I will revisit the bridge/garage shot in post-high sun conditions.

I also shoot from the bridge/parking garage in the other direction. It's a less interesting shot, but here is one. I've got one more I might submit soon.
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Also, from the pedestrian bridge, EB trains are sounding their horns as they pass underneath and it is LOUD, louder than trackside, it seems.
Well, you know...loud train horns aren't good for cameras. I wouldn't photograph near them, either.

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Very cool. I've been on a "from above" kick lately, especially with the high sun. This is one of my favorites lately:

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Me too, but it's more of an "any sort of elevation" kick for me. Don't get me wrong, I love North Dakota and my time here and all the opportunities I've had trackside, but the table-top landscape can get old and limiting. It's like telling a painter that he can only paint with green and blue. It's tough to foster any creativity like that, but he can always cut himself if he wants red!
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Very cool. I've been on a "from above" kick lately, especially with the high sun. This is one of my favorites lately:

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Interesting shot. The heat shimmer above the power seems to be drifting right - it doesn't affect the background highway (?) above the train but it creates a blur farther along to the right end of the highway.
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Well, you know...loud train horns aren't good for cameras. I wouldn't photograph near them, either.
Ha! I should have said that my son is really bothered, gets terrified. Once I was just about to shoot at a non-crossing location when the engineer gives a friendly but very much unexpected honk for my son. I had just told him about how great the location was because there would be no horns there, unlike many of our routine locations. He promptly turned and ran; I think I didn't catch up with him until the next county.
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This similar shot is just in; looking at it, I now realize I had bad luck that the CN wasn't the lead unit.

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Ha! I should have said that my son is really bothered, gets terrified.
Funny that this thread turned this direction. This

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Nice, Joe, I left a comment. BTW, sorry, I've been intending to take a shot at your BW steam shot, from another thread, at home, keep forgetting. Has it been accepted yet?
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