Old 04-06-2011, 02:27 PM   #1
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Default Couple of Rejects to Ponder on

Hey Guys

Got this one rejected for bad cropping, was wondering how i should recrop it.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=983441500

I know its soft as well, i didnt realize until I was looking at it in the queue that I had forgotten to sharpen it.

And this one was nailed for Bad Color
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=332877662

This is the first time I have worked with RAW photos so I need some help before I do any more of the ones I have. (I borrowed a friends camera for a couple of trips I took.)

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Old 04-06-2011, 02:32 PM   #2
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The first one is too loose; lop some off the top, left and bottom. You also have two big dust spots above the signal.

Second one: When you reprocess to fix the color issue, crop out that brick wall; it does nothing for the shot.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:48 PM   #3
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Bads Cropping needs some off all sides. Wy too muck sky, too much "lead room" to the left, too much on the bottom and a little too much on the right.

The Bad Color one needs more color to make it pop. It looks faded, like an old pair of jeans that have been washed a few hundred times.
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Old 04-06-2011, 04:10 PM   #4
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Both of them look really washed out to me, especially the second. The first one needs more saturation to make it pop, while the second one could use a color adjustment in addition to more saturation. Also, the first shot is unlevel (in addition to the cropping issue) and I would try to crop that brick wall out of the right of the second photo, it looks distracting to me.

If you're using RAW that makes things much easier for you. For that second shot you can adjust the color temperature until the sky is blue and ballast is a neutral gray color. It took me a few months to master RAW processing, so don't get discouraged if the photos aren't turning out quite the way you want them. You can always go back and reprocess them later.
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The first one cut some off the left and top.

Second one needs cut in yellow channel of saturation and/or boost in blue
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Ok everyone has mentioned a temperature change, how do I do that (CS2) I have never messed with Raw before so any tips on how to do this would be helpful
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:28 PM   #7
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I dont think you can do that unless you shoot in raw. If it's a JPEG, you have to use saturation to fix.
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I don't know about CS2, but in PS Elements 9, you can "open as" camera raw, even if it is a JPEG.
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I dont think you can do that unless you shoot in raw. If it's a JPEG, you have to use saturation to fix.
Troy, reread the original post.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:25 PM   #10
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Ok reworked both of them, any better?
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Better. But you still have dust spots on both. You need to use the clone tool to get rid of those.

On the first one I would crop more off the bottom and on the left side to about that little blob that looks maybe like a school bus in the distance. I know you want to get all of the train, but there's still too much wasted space in the foreground IMO.
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Better, agreed, but still nowhere near ready to submit.

The second one still has a really bad color cast -- see how the sky isn't blue? When you first bring the raw file into Camera Raw, that's where you adjust temperature and remove such color casts.
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First one looks to need some CW rotation.
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The second one has a greenish tint on my monitor.
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I guess i am blind so i will give up on these shots and try some other time
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How about something like these? Dust spots removed, adjusted levels, leveled and cropped.

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I dont think you can do that unless you shoot in raw. If it's a JPEG, you have to use saturation to fix.
If it's a JPEG you can adjust temperature via "Color Balance" which is the same thing as temperature. Or, there are several third party temperature filters.

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I think you overdid the crop on the BNSF shot; now it's a bit top-heavy, but the colors look better.

No discernible improvement on the UP shot.

Both of the most recent efforts are much smaller than the previous shots you attached; are you simply re-editing the same file? That's a big no-no with JPGs as you'll quickly lose image quality from the compression algorithms applied every time you save. Work with full-size TIFs until you get a good final product, save that, and only then re-size, apply USM and save as a JPG for posting online.
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They both look overexposed to me.
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call me blind but I am still not seeing the dust spot(s) in the pic of the 6296. I dont know if its me or not but I have a newer cropped version and I want to remove said spots before uploading
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The one I see is directly above the headlight, in the sky, halfway between top of picture and top of loco.
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Perhaps more like this.

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And all the other things that everyone else said.
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Perhaps more like this.

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And all the other things that everyone else said.
I LOVE your photoshopping of his image. Can you do that to everyone who asks for help on the forums from now on?
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I LOVE your photoshopping of his image. Can you do that to everyone who asks for help on the forums from now on?
It seemed warranted in this case.

I am always amazed at how many people leave trash in their finished images.

In this case it can be cropped out and should have been zoomed out with the camera.

When that fails there is always the clone tool.

Why leave the trash?
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Thanks HG for pointing out all the stuff in a pic I am not messing with anymore.
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