Old 01-13-2015, 04:03 AM   #76
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Does it bother you when you see a photo hanging unlevel on a wall? I mean, people have been hanging pictures since the invention of the camera. I'm sure there were "old film guys" like you decades ago that were bothered by an unlevel hanging picture as much as an unlevel photograph.



Now it's unlevel in the other direction!
I can't see .00000000001 off level! Chill Jim! It's not that important!

(Yes I do straighten obviously off level pictures. But not ones I cannot see!
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I can't see .00000000001 off level! Chill Jim! It's not that important!
You poor sap. I can see .0000000000000000000000001 unlevel with my eyes closed!
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My biggest problem is screeners wasting my time and theirs dilly dallying around with rejections. Nitpicking on sharpness or unlevel then throwing out a poor comp or some other major rejection. Obviously the screeners cant on agree on a set of standard set of guidelines it seems. If one screener nails an image on lets say undersharpen then the next time around its a comp issue, it would appear someones not doing their job properly. Something like a comp problem should be know immediately to any person who is qualified for screening and should be the first rejection. Its seems RP is several screeners each with different taste and its just the luck of the draw when we submit our photos.
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One more suggestion I have is with the ever changing quality with computers and monitors why does RP still use such low image size? IE 1200 by 800? Seems so much detail is lost when resizing photos to such small pixels. RP prides itself on The Best Railroad Photos on the Net, yet having such small pixels images uploaded doesn't do most people photography justice. Often Ive seen my images and others turn to crap after resizing. Seeing my same images on Flickr and RP the quality is so much better on flickr. And I know the Fr word is a no no but if RP really wants to improve the quality of its pictures I think it really needs to change its pixel upload size and fill up these 1920/1440 modern monitors.

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My biggest problem is screeners wasting my time and theirs dilly dallying around with rejections. Nitpicking on sharpness or unlevel then throwing out a poor comp or some other major rejection. Obviously the screeners cant on agree on a set of standard set of guidelines it seems. If one screener nails an image on lets say undersharpen then the next time around its a comp issue, it would appear someones not doing their job properly. Something like a comp problem should be know immediately to any person who is qualified for screening and should be the first rejection. Its seems RP is several screeners each with different taste and its just the luck of the draw when we submit our photos.
It's an old complaint, made over and over. If management had any intention of changing this practice, they could simply stop doing it. Nothing complicated about it.
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Screeners post on forums, acting as if they really want members input and change. Members give opinions of what could improve the site. Screeners disappear and are never heard from again. Stop me if you've heard this one before.
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HAHA.. They must be to busy secretly checking out Flickr photos to respond.
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Stop!

STOP!!!!

Control yourself!

Cease and desist!
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One more suggestion I have is with the ever changing quality with computers and monitors why does RP still use such low image size? IE 1200 by 800? Seems so much detail is lost when resizing photos to such small pixels. RP prides itself on The Best Railroad Photos on the Net, yet having such small pixels images uploaded doesn't do most people photography justice. Often Ive seen my images and others turn to crap after resizing. Seeing my same images on Flickr and RP the quality is so much better on flickr. And I know the Fr word is a no no but if RP really wants to improve the quality of its pictures I think it really needs to change its pixel upload size and fill up these 1920/1440 modern monitors.

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Just my two cents, but I wouldn't want to post higher-resolution images here or anywhere else....and I suspect that I am not alone.

Why? Well, because unfortunately, people regularly steal images off RP and other similar photography sites. The copyright law is a joke, because there are no copyright police that you can call when you see a violation. Instead you've got to hire a lawyer and go after the culprits yourself....at great personal expense. That's an option if you're a wealthy, famous photographer. Not so much for those of us who are just serious hobbyists.

The great thing about a 1024 x 683 image is that looks reasonable on a PC screen, but it doesn't meet the standards for most commercial applications.
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BINGO!!!

Status quo. There is already plenty of commentary on the forums from the past several years out there. No sense in replying to this topic if it's a 'one and done' post for the admins. RPN became stale about three years ago. I prefer the Flickr community, layout, and options much more.
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Obviously the screeners cant on agree on a set of standard set of guidelines it seems. If one screener nails an image on lets say undersharpen then the next time around its a comp issue, it would appear someones not doing their job properly. Something like a comp problem should be know immediately to any person

This is the heart of viewing photography in general. It's art, so it's inherently subjective. You are asking for objectivity, but since there are no hard measurements, it can't be done. This is further complicated by having two "schools" of thought regarding foamer photography. The first is a railfan who has a camera. To him, a shot of a "rare" engine is cool. The second is a photographer who happens to like trains. He would never understand why someone took a mundane shot of a "rare" engine, just as the other guy would never understand why the 2nd guy would take a photo of the train deliberately blurry. Levelness you can check, "good" composition not so much.


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This is the heart of viewing photography in general. It's art, so it's inherently subjective. You are asking for objectivity, but since there are no hard measurements, it can't be done. This is further complicated by having two "schools" of thought regarding foamer photography. The first is a railfan who has a camera. To him, a shot of a "rare" engine is cool. The second is a photographer who happens to like trains. He would never understand why someone took a mundane shot of a "rare" engine, just as the other guy would never understand why the 2nd guy would take a photo of the train deliberately blurry. Levelness you can check, "good" composition not so much.


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I like the suggestions on clearly defined policies, and I've been a fan of the "terminal rejection" idea for a long time, if a photo will never make it, reject it for an uncorrectable reason and be done.

I think one thing RP could develop would be railfan trips or tours. This is a very reputable website, and as such, railroads and commuter agencies might be open to allowing photoshoots. Maybe include some perks like special access to rail yards, or permission to use tripods in places like Jamaica Station, or increased tolerance from the police, or even just a group of people to go into more dangerious areas.

I'd even be willing to pay for it.
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I think one thing RP could develop would be railfan trips or tours. This is a very reputable website, and as such, railroads and commuter agencies might be open to allowing photoshoots. Maybe include some perks like special access to rail yards, or permission to use tripods in places like Jamaica Station, or increased tolerance from the police, or even just a group of people to go into more dangerious areas.

I'd even be willing to pay for it.


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I like the suggestions on clearly defined policies, and I've been a fan of the "terminal rejection" idea for a long time, if a photo will never make it, reject it for an uncorrectable reason and be done.

I think one thing RP could develop would be railfan trips or tours. This is a very reputable website, and as such, railroads and commuter agencies might be open to allowing photoshoots. Maybe include some perks like special access to rail yards, or permission to use tripods in places like Jamaica Station, or increased tolerance from the police, or even just a group of people to go into more dangerious areas.

I'd even be willing to pay for it.
Clearly defined policies are a bit intolerant - guidelines are more prudent. On the other hand, one clearly defined policy that would make sense and I'd love to see would be - if your image is rejected but you can link an image submitted in the past (say, year, or even 90 days), then that accepted image if similar in faults (and merit), should set a precedent. I mean, really - IF IT WAS RECENTLY ACCEPTABLE, how could it no longer be acceptable in such a short span of time? Feels personal to many at that point. Or, if not personal, then the oft stated issue of inconsistency pops up. Does admin enjoy being seen in that light?

As for terminal rejections - I agree. I disagree that every screener sitting in front of a queue of 60 photos or so should have to note every flaw on every image rejected. I feel one rejection - the main issue as seen at the time of screening is all that is necessary to note. You get your rejection, you fix it, you get back in line. Unfortunately, it seems to be a big issue with a large majority so a resolution seems merited. How about resubmitted shots go into a separate queue belonging the original screener? Or, screw it, deal with it, but in comments from the screener, show some courtesy.

RP charters? Not a bad idea, but as a crew member working with Lerro Productions, I'd be willing to bet there are few, let alone admin, willing to take the task. It's a lot of work, a lot of travel. A lot of hassles. The reward is there, of course, but there is a reason so few run such charters. I'm glad you'd be willing to pay for it, lol! Hey, Matt (do you frequent the Forums?), how about an Acela night charter, eh? Loyd - an NS charter at night in O'Winston Link territory? David - a tour of train droppings? ; )

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I might meet the qualifications. I hunt from sun up to sun down during antelope and elk season. As for being ready, in my RAV4 I have a down-sleeping bag, dried food, snow shovel, tool kit, three Maglite flashlights, water filter, barn boots, bow saw, pup tent, tarp, 30 ft. tow rope, 100 ft. 1/4" nylon rope, duct tape, and an automatic rifle with 100 rounds .223 ammo in 4 magazines. Add a 20 ga. shotgun during bird season with a box of #5 birdshot.


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Clearly defined policies I meant about admin stuff, like if you loose your uploads, how do you get them back? Stuff like that.

I don't expect screeners to note every reason, I just think if you have a reason that is fixable, and a reason that is unfixable, they should be required to give the non-fixable reason.

For tours and stuff, I was thinking more stuff where you do get hassled you know, like tripods in Jamacia or maybe access to Fresh Pond yard, stuff you normally get read your rights if you visit
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I want to make a reservation for me and two other friends. What does your calendar look like for October?
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And remember folks, Loyd doesn't have to outrun the bear... he just has to outrun YOU...
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And remember folks, Loyd doesn't have to outrun the bear... he just has to outrun YOU...
If he's with the fellow who has the arsenal in his Jeep, I suspect it's the bear who's going to be doing the running....

A .223 and 100 rounds of ammo.....yikes!.....things are clearly a little wilder in South Dakota than they are here in New England.
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October is my busiest month, so probably not great.

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Running is only an option when I'm out of ammo. In other words, I never run.

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If he's with the fellow who has the arsenal in his Jeep, I suspect it's the bear who's going to be doing the running....

A .223 and 100 rounds of ammo.....yikes!.....things are clearly a little wilder in South Dakota than they are here in New England.


A hundred rounds doesn't last very long. (Select fire is legal in South Dakota.)


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