Old 05-24-2012, 06:49 PM   #1
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So after a recent trip I've tried these two:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...26&key=3237599

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...35&key=4016333

I know there are other Disney Monorail pictures in the database (though very few) and I can't remember the last time I've seen one added right off so what I'm wondering is am I beating my head in a brick wall if I try to add any monorail shots? Is that what the "PEQ" is telling me on what otherwise is a good sunny shot of an interesting special wrap Monorail trainset? (I can see the minor unlevel although I'd swear I had it leveled when I edited it) I'm not looking to flood the DB with boring monorail shots but was planning on picking 2 or 3 of the neatest ones (special trainset or neat location perspective) to upload. Should I even bother? Hoping for a screener response to avoid wasting my time & theirs.

Also, I don't really see any issue with the cropping or composition on the steam engine shot but I'm certainly open to suggestions. For anyone interested - it takes an upper floor at the contemporary resort to get that perspective.

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Old 05-24-2012, 06:55 PM   #2
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IMO those shots are more interesting than many. But 1st shot I would crop in - subject is too small. Second shot that tree is too close to the nose of the monorail.
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Exclamation MonoRail!!!

- Horizon Unlevel: Try leveling the image in your photo editing software.

I guess they want it more like this......

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Should I even bother? Hoping for a screener response to avoid wasting my time & theirs.
It's confusing when they reject a shot for PEQ and something else. PEQ should be an end all rejection, but we already know that isn't the case. So I might would in effect ignore the PEQ and work on the other issue and go from there. On the monorail shot, it is unlevel. While the bridge supports can be misleading, the actual horizon line of the water is leaning.
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PEQ should be an end all rejection, but we already know that isn't the case. .
Please explain, not sure if I know what you mean by that
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Please explain, not sure if I know what you mean by that
I think he means that pictures have gotten a PEQ and subsequently been accepted, yet if it were really poor esthetic quality, that quality would persist and the shots would never have gotten on.
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I like the monorail shot alot, much better than most of the accepted ones in the database.As for the PEQ, I have no idea what the screeners thoughts were.
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Well - I figured I'd give it one more shot this evening and:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...37&key=8007209

Heh, I thought nailing the "meet" between the monorails was a neat bonus but I guess they want more off the right?
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It's a half a train (on the trailing one) for the meet. I would just cut it out.

I have been told in the past that monorail shots, because they are a borderline subject, have to be exceptional. Some monorail shots that would have been accepted were they of a steel rail on steel wheel train will be rejected.

They can get in, but the hurdles are higher.
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I like the monorail shot alot, much better than most of the accepted ones in the database.As for the PEQ, I have no idea what the screeners thoughts were.

Simple.....

They are prejudiced against single tracked transport.

Ergo, they are monorail haters.

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Please explain, not sure if I know what you mean by that
Can't, were're not supposed to tell anyone about that.

Apparently, it was water boarded out of Joe.
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It's a half a train (on the trailing one) for the meet. I would just cut it out.

I have been told in the past that monorail shots, because they are a borderline subject, have to be exceptional. Some monorail shots that would have been accepted were they of a steel rail on steel wheel train will be rejected.

They can get in, but the hurdles are higher.
And no one does monorail shots like Charles.

This Bud is for you, oh photog of the steel rail.
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I liked the steam shot. The monorail shot didn't do it for me at all.
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Did you try cropping in the steam shot? I mean that seems to be what they want you to do.
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Also, I don't really see any issue with the cropping or composition on the steam engine shot but I'm certainly open to suggestions. For anyone interested - it takes an upper floor at the contemporary resort to get that perspective.

Michael,

For the steam shot, I would crop off the top until just above the tip of the castle, and an equal amount on the left side. That will eliminate most of the dead space and fix the cropping issue. Good luck, it's a nice shot and definitely a unique perspective.

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I tried to make the sky a little more interesting so go with this.
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I tried to make the sky a little more interesting so go with this.


Here's my version of what Chris was getting at.

Great vantage point too, Michael; a very unique photo.
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For the steam shot, I would crop off the top until just above the tip of the castle, and an equal amount on the left side. That will eliminate most of the dead space and fix the cropping issue. Good luck, it's a nice shot and definitely a unique perspective.

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Well - here's an attempt, perhaps I took too much off but...

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I really have a problem with this. This a great and particularly interesting photo.
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I think you got the top and bottom right, but there was no need to crop the side and that hurt you. Avoid the 3:2 if you can.
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I will offer a few suggestions.

First - to admin, again, how about rephrasing a few of the rejection statements to something less vague and more positive when it's a mistake easily fixed rather then an implied - "this one is lopsided and really ain't any good while the other one is a is poorly cropped". Maybe something like: "We'd love to add this to the database if you would consider adjusting the crop to better follow the rule of thirds" and "Unlevel CCW" and "PEQ followed by screener comment - I don't consider monorails to be a train".
Or additional clarifiers when it's not obvious such as "Trespassing, not enough emphasis on trains, too abstract", ect.

Getting back to these images - I like each - quite a bit and see your frustration yet, arrg, there is some rhyme and reason here:

First - the castle shot, very nice!!!, but perhaps train and castle combined are in the dreaded center third of the image - or too much dead space on the bottom. Maybe a crop like this instead?

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Second - the monorail, also - very nice!, but it is in fact unlevel (see supports and windsock. Off CCW. And again, probably too centered for RP (top to bottom). Maybe a crop like this?

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Incidentally, if they do not suffice, consider the following:

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Can't beat a wreck shot when it comes to 'Best railroad photos on the 'net".
(I just can't bring myself to set any of the little fellas on fire when I'm taking pics with dogs)

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Dang Mitch, those are awesome.

Could you make one with the whole castle on fire - because everything looks better on fire.
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Second - the monorail, also - very nice!, but it is in fact unlevel (see supports and windsock. Off CCW. And again, probably too centered for RP (top to bottom). Maybe a crop like this?

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Sorry, Mitch, but yours is now off CW.

It also needs some wide angle distortion correction. Here's a 4:3 crop ( 1024 x 768 ) that I think gives the top of the frame a little more breathing room above the monorail.

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That was a quick edit - which I think was in fact level. Kudos for going the extra mile and fixing the distortion
obvious in the tree and first column.

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