Old 09-09-2015, 02:38 PM   #1
firemanbeetle
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 19
Default Need Opinion, Please

This photo has been rejected and adjusted numerous times for.............bad cropping (adjusted), bad "rule of thirds" (understood and adjusted), object too close to borders (adjusted), object not far enough from borders (adjusted), bad lighting (adjusted). You name it, it's bad. Yet I've found other shots in the database, that are strikingly similar. And some that are nowhere near as good as mine. I've found shots with much worse lighting, details hidden by shadows, bad sharpness, etc. I've had shots rejected before, and, after looking at them, usually agreed with the screeners. That's not the case this time. Can someone please tell me what the heck is going on?


http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...87&key=7689416
firemanbeetle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 03:24 PM   #2
KevinM
Senior Member
 
KevinM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,008
Default

Steve,

That particular frame does look a bit soft on my display. The screener asked that the image not be resubmitted and I would comply. I usually use the 3-strike rule. If after 3 attempts, I cannot get something the screener will accept, I move on. Resubmitting the same image, over and over, especially something that is a simple wedge-roster (no scenery, no human interest, etc.), is how many RP contributors end up in the doghouse with the site (limited uploads, no appeal process, or even banned).

I'd let it go.
__________________
/Kevin

My RP stuff is here.

Link to my Flickr Albums. Lots of Steam Railroad stuff there from all over the US.
KevinM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 05:11 PM   #3
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

This is a standard roster shot, and RP tends to want those to be technically perfect (in the dimensions RP cares about). It is definitely soft as I can see it and I am usually the last to notice.

Also, the sky is extensively pixellated. One can see blocks of lighter and darker blue shades. That is something you should figure out, figure out how it got there and how to avoid it, as that is going to hold you back on RP acceptance - and in other venues where selectivity is an issue.

As advice on retaining you sanity, I suggest that you never, ever, compare your shots to those already on the database, or in any way try to infer RP consistency. Therein lies madness.
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 06:49 PM   #4
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Image is soft. Picture quality is poor (possibly from overworking it in Photoshop and not saving at the highest level?). Nose door is open. Engine is not quite fully font lit.

The last two you would get away with on an action shot, but roster shots are held to a higher standard.

The first one cannot be fixed. The second one can only be fixed if the issue is in the editing.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 07:24 PM   #5
troy12n
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,333
Default

Yeah, this one is not good, let it go
troy12n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2015, 11:51 PM   #6
miningcamper1
Senior Member
 
miningcamper1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,221
Default

So if this is indeed Poor Image Quality, why was that not the first rejection?
__________________
flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11947249@N03/

RP Photos: www.railpictures.net/miningcamper1/
miningcamper1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 01:41 AM   #7
Greg P
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Baltimore MD
Posts: 1,003
Send a message via AIM to Greg P
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miningcamper1 View Post
So if this is indeed Poor Image Quality, why was that not the first rejection?
Welcome to RP.net.
Greg P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 03:13 AM   #8
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miningcamper1 View Post
So if this is indeed Poor Image Quality, why was that not the first rejection?
Because they go through the queue quickly (have to in order to get through it all) and will click one button on what they see as wrong and then move on.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 03:54 AM   #9
KevinM
Senior Member
 
KevinM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,008
Default

I think Charles pretty much hit the nail on the head. The photo queue can be 50 - 100 shots deep. That means if you are lucky, you get about 10 seconds worth of the screener's time. The screeners have seen hundreds of thousands of photos, so they know what to look for. They also get to know the names on the photos they see, so they know what each of our stuff looks like. Once they see a condemning issue, they hit the first appropriate button and move on. Otherwise, they'd spend all night getting through the queue.
__________________
/Kevin

My RP stuff is here.

Link to my Flickr Albums. Lots of Steam Railroad stuff there from all over the US.
KevinM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 05:12 AM   #10
miningcamper1
Senior Member
 
miningcamper1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,221
Default

Yet they somehow seem to remember if an uncorrected image has been re-submitted, or a member has appealed too often.
__________________
flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11947249@N03/

RP Photos: www.railpictures.net/miningcamper1/

Last edited by miningcamper1; 09-10-2015 at 05:13 AM. Reason: correction
miningcamper1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 05:33 AM   #11
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

In the first case, I'd assume they pull up the last submission and compare (if they suspect an uncorrected upload).

In the second case, um, duh...
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2015, 07:31 PM   #12
miningcamper1
Senior Member
 
miningcamper1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,221
Default

"If you are submitting a previously rejected photos with corrections made, please be sure to post a note to the screeners using the "Comments to Screeners" field below letting us know what you've done to improve the image."

So, assuming the would-be contributor wrote something in the box, either the screener didn't read it, or read it and issued the death sentence anyway.
__________________
flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11947249@N03/

RP Photos: www.railpictures.net/miningcamper1/
miningcamper1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 12:02 AM   #13
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miningcamper1 View Post
"If you are submitting a previously rejected photos with corrections made, please be sure to post a note to the screeners using the "Comments to Screeners" field below letting us know what you've done to improve the image."

So, assuming the would-be contributor wrote something in the box, either the screener didn't read it, or read it and issued the death sentence anyway.
Is this a real instance or a hypothetical?

If the correction was posted in the note, and was made, and the image was rejected as an uncorrected re-upload, then there has clearly been an injustice.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 03:24 AM   #14
miningcamper1
Senior Member
 
miningcamper1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,221
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
Is this a real instance or a hypothetical?

If the correction was posted in the note, and was made, and the image was rejected as an uncorrected re-upload, then there has clearly been an injustice.
Post #10 was just examples. #13 was specific to the OP's shot, but applies to others as well. It's no secret that Chris K frowns on open nose doors (as do I). So here we have common power in a generic location with the nose door open. Hard to believe it didn't occur to the first screener to PAQ it right away and not waste the contributor's time and effort with the rejection-go-round.
__________________
flickr photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11947249@N03/

RP Photos: www.railpictures.net/miningcamper1/
miningcamper1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 04:52 AM   #15
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by miningcamper1 View Post
Post #10 was just examples. #13 was specific to the OP's shot, but applies to others as well. It's no secret that Chris K frowns on open nose doors (as do I). So here we have common power in a generic location with the nose door open. Hard to believe it didn't occur to the first screener to PAQ it right away and not waste the contributor's time and effort with the rejection-go-round.
In a perfect world - but I think they move too fast for that.

I've had the same frustration quite a few times, by the way. Fix this, fix that, fix this other thing, then get hit with an unfixable rejection. Used to freak me out. Now I let it slide (usually). What else are you going to do?
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 06:06 PM   #16
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
What else are you going to do?
Take your complaint to the RP forums, of course !!
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 07:30 PM   #17
KevinM
Senior Member
 
KevinM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,008
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRMDC View Post
Take your complaint to the RP forums, of course !!
Why would anyone do that? Rejection threads are so passe.....
__________________
/Kevin

My RP stuff is here.

Link to my Flickr Albums. Lots of Steam Railroad stuff there from all over the US.
KevinM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2015, 09:24 PM   #18
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JRMDC View Post
Take your complaint to the RP forums, of course !!
Why? There's some crazies on there.
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2015, 03:26 AM   #19
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,800
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Freericks View Post
Why? There's some crazies on there.
There IS crazies?

Come on, Charles, you know better than that.
__________________
.
Rhymes with slice, rice and mice, and probably should be spelled like "Tice."

This pretty much sums it up: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thias
JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2015, 05:50 AM   #20
Freericks
Met Fan
 
Freericks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias View Post
There IS crazies?

Come on, Charles, you know better than that.
I dunno... feels like I was speakin' in dialect and "there's" felt right as rain on a possum hemorrhoid..
Freericks is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.