Old 07-07-2012, 03:54 PM   #1
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This has been rejected for just about everything under the sun but keeps coming back to poor cropping. I've tried just about everything! Anyone have any ideas?

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Old 07-07-2012, 04:09 PM   #2
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Unfortunately, the ugly, worthless sky and the pain-in-the-eye culvert stones prohibit any pleasing crop as a vertical.

So I sugest a horizontal. Hopefully you have the MP's to play with.
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pain-in-the-eye culvert stones
???

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Mind you, I don't think they are beautiful, but they are not objectionable and there is no reason to cut them out of the shot if the OP wants them in.
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:44 PM   #4
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To the eyes of this beholder, the stones prohibit a good composition or an eye-pleasing arrangement of elements in a frame.

And of course the OP can do whatever he wishes.

In fact we all could do that. Make our own little RP right on our computers with only our own images. We can then click our favorites thousands of times, pick our POTW, our SC's, etc. We can be the very best rail photographer in the world in our own mind. Why bother submitting to RP at all?

That specious statement is, of course, ridiculous.

The entire point for submitters to RP is to show off what they have done and then gauge public acceptance of those images. Learning what is acceptable to the masses can be learned here better than anywhere.

It is not a perfect science of course. In fact, really knowing what delights the public is impossible. Other wise every shot would be a POTW or every Hollywood movie would be the highest grosser of the year. (If your name is Danneman or James Cameron, you have a better handle on this than most anybody.)

Composition is the most basic part of any photo. Light, exposure, sharpness, etc, all just support that.

Which goes back to my original thought about Jon's image. I tried several ways, including square, to come up with a Rule Of Thirds (ROT) crop of his shot. This was the best, most pleasing to RP and RP's audience one to be had. IMHO.
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Well, I shot it horizontal but didn't quite like the feel. Here is what I had in mind originally.
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That works.
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In each, the train (subject) sits rather high in the scene in a way that is somewhat unappealing in my opinion.

The horizontal is better as the tracks ahead have some interest.

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Dennis, was that overwrought bit of windage aimed at me????
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That works.
But it has the very same pain-in-the-eye culvert stones! ???
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Dennis, was that overwrought bit of windage aimed at me????
You being the guy with the most posts on RP Janusz, I figured you most of all would appreciate the succinct summation of my opinion.


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But it has the very same pain-in-the-eye culvert stones! ???
Yes but this version is a horizontal.

I said the culvert stones prohibit any pleasing crop as a vertical.

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In the vertical crop, I find the railroad ties/culvert structure a bit awkwardly placed.
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Thanks guys, I will give it a try from there.
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I find the angle a bit awkward and the horizontal has the big dead space of shrubs on the right side.

Is there not a more interesting place to shoot from on this line?

Something with a better background, or a bridge or something?
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