Old 01-07-2009, 06:17 PM   #1
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Question View Counts by Railroad

Has anyone at RP.net or out on the forums performed an analysis of view counts by railroad? I have noticed significant differences in my view counts and averages depending on the railroad featured in the shots. Amtrak, much to my amazement, always seems to be an above average "view catcher", even with what I consider to be fairly lame shots in my collection (which is most of them). It would be interesting to see what the most popular and least popular railroads are both in terms of total view counts and average view counts.
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Old 01-07-2009, 07:23 PM   #2
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Interesting thought. I have never analysed my shots, but get the impression that anything taken in Europe does far better than UK stuff. Bonus points appear to be scored for Switzerland (scenery?) and steam locos in particular.
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I have noticed significant differences in my view counts and averages depending on the railroad featured in the shots. Amtrak, much to my amazement, always seems to be an above average "view catcher", even with what I consider to be fairly lame shots in my collection (which is most of them).
That's surprising considering the anti-Amtrak sentiment on this forum.
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Of course that could be due to the fact that I mostly shoot NS!
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Old 01-08-2009, 02:26 AM   #5
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Of course that could be due to the fact that I mostly shoot NS!
Thatís not a bad thing to me, since I really havenít seen a lot of shots on the former Wabash mainline in Central Illinois before. To me NS is a lot more tolerable if itís not places commonly known to railfans like Altoona, Pennsylvania.

Just from looking at what my most popular pictures that have been accepted shows that have a decent mix between the Class 1ís, short lines, and steam engines.
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That's surprising considering the anti-Amtrak sentiment on this forum.
Who's anti-Amtrak? Or maybe the Amtrak fans are anti this forum . . .

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This is an interesting discussion, as it would seem, for me my CSX stuff get more views than my NS stuff.
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Interesting thoughts...

In my experience the larger and more popular the railroad, the more views the photograph gets, even if the shot seems common or plain. With the exception of special photos (front page, screeners choice, potw, ect,) once a photograph passes through it's initial surge of views from being added recently, it relies on being brought up in searches for it's view count

Amtrak for example is a popular, nationwide railroad with commonly known locomotives that I am sure is the subject of many searches. Therefore Amtrak photographs would get many more later in life views then a shortline known only those in the area.

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My Amtrak shots seem to benefit from both a larger initial view "surge" and a higher long term average.

Here are two good examples: UP vs. Amtrak same day and same location. Amtrak is clearly the winner.

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Hey look, it's the guy who comes up above me in the photographer list...
A lot of views per railroad is skewed by scenery, and I think it's fair to say that CP is the clear winner in that department =) Too bad about all the wedgies from out east.
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Hey look, it's the guy who comes up above me in the photographer list...
A lot of views per railroad is skewed by scenery, and I think it's fair to say that CP is the clear winner in that department =) Too bad about all the wedgies from out east.
Wedgies? Please.....we get all the interesting power out east, you guys are stuck with AC44 and GEVO consists.
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My Amtrak shots seem to benefit from both a larger initial view "surge" and a higher long term average.

Here are two good examples: UP vs. Amtrak same day and same location. Amtrak is clearly the winner.

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Hmm . . . maybe the people are actually anti-UP!

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Hmm . . . maybe the people are actually anti-UP!

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Big surprise there... Maybe there's some jealousy between UP and Amtrak. One of the UP operators at Ridgely Tower likes to refer to Amtrak trains as "Amtrash". I'm sure Amtrak crews retaliate with "Utterly Pathetic" whenever the UP dispatcher screws 'em over.
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That's because you can drop your camera in Switzerland and still get a good photo when it hits because the scenery is so good. That's one advantage Switzerland has over most of us.

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Interesting thought. I have never analysed my shots, but get the impression that anything taken in Europe does far better than UK stuff. Bonus points appear to be scored for Switzerland (scenery?) and steam locos in particular.
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Wedgies? Please.....we get all the interesting power out east, you guys are stuck with AC44 and GEVO consists.
I see where you are coming from, but certain parts of CSX are like that.

Like the Clinchfield, most of the non-coastal parts of the L&N and huge parts of the B&O and C&O

And come to think of it, just about the ENTIRE NS system is 90% CW40-9 units.
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Curiousity and 5 min in excel led to this:

Railroad Total Avg View/Photo
Iowa Interstate Railroad 1 9,808.00
Ann Arbor Railroad 6 780.33
Untitled 6 779.83
Western Maryland Railway 2 743.00
Indiana & Ohio Railway 1 659.00
Amtrak 1 545.00
Norfolk Southern 79 544.61
Burlington Northern Santa Fe 15 502.60
Wheeling & Lake Erie 13 498.23
Ohio Central 1 495.00
CSX Transportation (CSXT) 70 491.26
Union Pacific 7 476.29
Helm Financial Corp. (HLCX) 2 461.50
Canadian National Railway 13 384.00
Locomotive Leasing Partners (LLPX) 1 380.00

I had an impression that my "popular shortline" (like W&LE or AA) shots did better than my CSX / NS shots, but generally the results were pretty uniform (although my AA shots seem to do well). However, both the NS and CSX averages are "pulled up" by a couple very popular shots. People also apparently don't like looking at "rent-a-wrecks" (like HLCX & LLPX) but do like looking at random industrial switchers (mostly what's in my "untitled"). The IAIS is a one-off "news" shot (that's also my most viewed). Anyway, I'm an accountant, so I couldn't help but put some numbers to it! (even if it's just a basic simple average - probably should have looked at median also...)

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And come to think of it, just about the ENTIRE NS system is 90% CW40-9 units.
Not quite. Only 1,089 units out of a fleet total 3,776 ( NS Locomotive Directory 2007-2008 ). Two out of every three NS locomotives are something other than a widecab Dash 9. And actually they are designated Dash 9-40CW's.
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MDH great breakdown of your data! Here's mine for railroads with a minimum of 20 shots:

Amtrak: 21 shots, 13,676 views, 651.24 average
Illinois & Midland: 25 shots, 16,629 views, 665.16 average
NS: 121 shots, 66,434 views, 549.04 average
UP: 40 shots, 20,867 views, 521.68 average

I was surprised to see that the I&M had the highest per shot average, followed closely by Amtrak. The other thing I hadn't thought about is how the shot count reflects our own interests as photographers. I knew NS was was my #1 railroad, but not to the extent that it exceeds the shot counts of the next 3 railroads combined. The UP number actually includes a lot of I&M shots due to the fact that I&M's coal trains are powered by UP locomotives.
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I see where you are coming from, but certain parts of CSX are like that.

Like the Clinchfield, most of the non-coastal parts of the L&N and huge parts of the B&O and C&O

And come to think of it, just about the ENTIRE NS system is 90% CW40-9 units.
I'd like to add CN is almost like that in some parts. When I worked the yard out of Toronto at CN, I'd be standing on the point of a yard job and you can't help but look over to your side and see what kind of consists are on that train that's pulls into the receiving yard, I'd get a kick when you see one that had almost every locomotive model that CN owns example was one train that came in had a C44-9W/GP38-2/GP9RM/SD40-2W consist elephant style.
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With the aid of a speadsheet, there are mine as of 1000hrs 01/09/09:

Arkansas & Missouri Railroad
Total Views: 2642
Total Pictures: 2
Average/Picture: 1321

British Columbia Railway
Total Views: 1894
Total Pictures: 1
Average/Picture: 1894

Burlington Northern Santa Fe (incl. Oakway SD60)
Total Views: 4597
Total Pictures: 5
Average/Picture: 919.4

Canadian National Railway (incl. 2 x WC)
Total Views: 76190
Total Pictures: 75
Average/Picture: 1015.87

Canadian Pacific Railway
Total Views: 49070
Total Pictures: 61
Average/Picture: 804.43

Union Pacific (incl. leased units)
Total Views: 2907
Total Pictures: 3
Average/Picture: 969.00

REGIONAL / SHORTLINE (excluding A&M)
Total Views: 2926
Total Pictures: 3
Average/Picture: 975.33

PASSENGER (VIA, GO Transit)
Total Views: 8277
Total Pictures: 7
Average/Picture: 1182.43
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This is interesting: current shot counts for all the "big boy" railroads:

#8 - KCS 1,948
#7 - CN 8,107
#6 - Amtrak 8,337 (excluding AMTK-CA)
#5 - CP 9,478
#4 - UP 19,856
#3 - CSX 21,848
#2 - BNSF 24,790

and drum roll please...

#1 - NS 28,160!!!!

Now I certainly didn't expect that. I figured BNSF and UP would have been #1 and #2. CN and CP's counts have to be low due to locomotives still in subsidiary paint schemes (GTW, IC, WC, DMIR, BLE, Soo, D&H) and, thus, coded seperately into the database.
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Over 9000? D=<
Oh, and Mike: I was talking about the other guys in Ontario, not you =)
Actually, the Ontario Mikes are pretty cool.
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Over 9000? D=<
Oh, and Mike: I was talking about the other guys in Ontario, not you =)
Actually, the Ontario Mikes are pretty cool.
ROFLMFAO....should have told me about that sooner
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This is interesting: current shot counts for all the "big boy" railroads:

#8 - KCS 1,948
#7 - CN 8,107
#6 - Amtrak 8,337 (excluding AMTK-CA)
#5 - CP 9,478
#4 - UP 19,856
#3 - CSX 21,848
#2 - BNSF 24,790

and drum roll please...

#1 - NS 28,160!!!!

Now I certainly didn't expect that.
No doubt inflated by all the Pittsburgh shots.
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Not quite. Only 1,089 units out of a fleet total 3,776 ( NS Locomotive Directory 2007-2008 ). Two out of every three NS locomotives are something other than a widecab Dash 9. And actually they are designated Dash 9-40CW's.
Let me clarify. 90% of road trains... or it seems like it anyway on the mainlines. Some of the lesser density mainlines in GA, SC, AL maybe not

Of course the roster isnt 90% dash 9s
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