Old 10-13-2008, 11:45 PM   #1
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I realize there's probably nothing I can do about the "too much noise" rejection for this photo, but I was wondering if you all might give me some feedback otherwise. I've not done too much in terms of night photography, so any helpful advice or suggestions would be appreciated!

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Old 10-14-2008, 12:04 AM   #2
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Two quick comments. First of all, camera flash shots which just catch the bounce back from the reflective stripes on the engine are generally uninteresting. I can think of maybe one in the database which was made interesting, but generally a night shot with flash needs a LOT of flash to do significant illumination. On-camera flash, forget it.

Second, you took the shot at 1/60 shutter (an automatic choice given the use of flash?), which didn't freeze the train so it is blurred.

If you want to do night photography you have to either use existing light or devote resources to providing sufficient light of your own.
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:23 AM   #3
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Unless you want to drop a bunch of money on an elaborate flash system, your option for moving trains is to go for a streak effect, or long exposures of still subjects. Use a tripod, remote shutter release (handy, but not required - you can also use the timer on your camera if shooting a still subject), and make sure you're shooting with the lowest ISO setting your camera will afford. Focus manually, using a flashlight if necessary.

I cut my teeth shooting at night - after much feedback from the forums, this was my first accepted shot:

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Old 10-14-2008, 01:55 AM   #4
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Not bad for starting. Once you have grain with night shots there isn't much you can do to remove it, as noise reduction in photo editing software can cause softness.

Lighting is just as key with night shots as it is with day shots. Excluding user provided light and flashes/strobes, finding locations with proper lighting is important. Your subject still needs to be providing or reflecting some light in order to stand out.

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Old 10-14-2008, 03:54 AM   #5
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I find streak shots interesting but mine didnt do well with views. I do like to find a subject siting still and try to make an interesting shot with the lite, background, etc.........Try to find some lighting that may give a different effect. One of my nite shots shows green on the auto racks from a green light 1/4 mile away......
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:21 PM   #6
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A flash can work, but you need to also have a slow shutter speed with it.

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:27 AM   #7
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Quote:
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A flash can work, but you need to also have a slow shutter speed with it.

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Was that a first curtain sync shot?

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:52 AM   #8
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Was that a first curtain sync shot?

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Never heard of that. I was on a 30 second exposure and the flash fired at the beginning.
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My canon has a first curtain, and second curtain flash option. First curtain is a flash as the shutter opens, second curtain is a flash right before the shutter closes..

I like stationary objects exactly as much as I like streaks.. Basically I love the night!

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Hmm, never heard of that, interesting.
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