Old 11-19-2011, 04:50 PM   #1
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I am on a roll for rejects lately. I can not seem to get anything I throw at them to be accepted. So I come back again with these rejects.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=988169&key=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...0&key=61759215

The first one O.K. maybe it is dark. Slightly. It's 1500 on a snowy afternoon after all.

Second one I just don't get at all. It's supposed to be dark at night. Right?
Sunset was 1633/Photo snapped at 1715.

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Old 11-19-2011, 05:19 PM   #2
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To me those are pretty solid compositions. They don't like dark. What can you do?
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:58 PM   #3
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First: the screener can't tell if it was truly dark or whether the shot was made on auto and all the snow was rendered gray instead of white. In general I think RP doesn't care for the darkish day sort of shot.

The other one is very nice, it may need only a touch of exposure increase to get past the screener.
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:07 PM   #4
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Shot one a bit dark and way to much contrast, 2 is both to dark and contrasty, Make your SNOW white.
Do a WB on the snow under the ditch light That will help too.
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:23 PM   #5
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Both pictures are way too dark. Unfortunately lack of sun does not make a dark picture good, it has to work "artistically" (whatever that is). But both pictures have some good stuff. I rather like the composition of the first picture and the feel of railroading in the winter, but it just needs more light. You might be able to lighten it up in Photoshop but I suspect it is a lost cause. The second one has way too much dark space, but if it were cropped very tightly around the nose of the locomotive the effect might be very interesting with the lights shining through the snow.
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I agree with above on the first. The second I like as-is, but I fear RP in general doesn't accept night shots unless they're grossy overexposed - sometimes even to the point of replicating daylight. Also I would hesitate to do a WB off tungsten lighting as it could turn everything too blue. Yes I realizenight is blue and so are shadows but our eyes don't really see them like that. It's kinda like the anal desperation to turn sodium-vapor lighting white, even though it's very yellow. When I used to live in the city I loved to sit out on the balcony at night and see the vast differences between all the different light sources, but around here everybody wants to see everything as plain white for some reason...
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Old 11-19-2011, 06:59 PM   #7
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Holds up well i think May have over did the shadow side
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:25 PM   #8
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I dunno Richard. It me it doesn't look right. In the first picture it looks to me slightly underexposed and the temp might be off some. The second picture looks good to me. It looks like I'm right there looking at it. At least that's how remember those long dark cold winters.

Then again my monitor is kind off bright.

On second thought I tried it this way.



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I remember when I did my first snow shot, I was told that there should be white snow somewhere in the picture.
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Chris, I think you version is certainly RP-suitable, but I would understand if Todd decided that it was too much of alteration of the darker reality to resubmit after brightening.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:33 PM   #11
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funny thing, i've lived up north my whole life and never seen white snow in the middle of a snow storm. it doesn't turn white until the next day when the sun comes out.
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:00 AM   #12
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Yea got the shot to bright, Was just showing him what they want. I to can never get snow shots on with getting it to bright. BTW Best to get it right in camera doing it in photo shop gets noise up to unexpectable levels.
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Just saw it got on - good job, and nice shot!
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:15 AM   #14
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Well I brightened it up and re-submitted and it made it in/on.

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Thank you all very much for the help and suggestions!


FWIW, I liked the darker/original version better. I thought it showed more of the headlight beam and didn't look so grayish/blue. I thought it was more natural to what the conditions looked like and where at the time.


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Old 11-21-2011, 02:05 AM   #15
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Well the other one in question made it on/in with a little tweak towards the brighter side.

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PhotoID: 381724
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Again, Thanks for all the help.

Now I will try to fix a few more shots. One that's close (maybe)

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=988745&key=0

and another one that was an attempt at something (again maybe)


http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=988747&key=0

Does anyone have a suggestion for the second one or the first for that matter. I was mearly experimenting to see what turned out. Maybe it didn't turn out.

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Old 11-21-2011, 02:10 AM   #16
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Now I will try to fix a few more shots. One that's close (maybe)

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This screams "vertical crop" to me (if you have the pixels). The lighting is killer, but right side of the photo is pretty much empty.
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Yeah, I just saw your "snow" shot made it on too. I liked both of those shots. I'm sure the other snow shot you are re-submitting will eventually make it on. Maybe too much space on the right side?
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They look good.
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I agree about the vertical crop. There isn't too much interest on the right side. I'm personally not a huge fan of night streak shots, so I don't really have any input for the ore shot.
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Its a shame they are so restrictive on this site. I prefer 99745 the way you have it. With a vertical crop you will end up with tracks in the snow going nowhere. With the original shot there is more to study, more lines to follow without being too "busy". Id be thrilled to have this shot hanging on my wall. Keep up the great work, you shots are very interesting.
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...but I fear RP in general doesn't accept night shots unless they're grossy overexposed - sometimes even to the point of replicating daylight...
Yes, that's true! But why does it have to be so? This is another example of stifling photographic creativity by denying "other" visual interpretations on the site. Instead, contributors are hammered into conformity if they have any hope of having their work displayed. That's terribly wrong.

That said---I like both shots. The first one is a nice composition, but I'm not sure you can salvage it much to get it past the Spanish Inquisition of RP's increasingly anal screening corps.

I do like the second shot, and I would have accepted it without question had I been a screener (obviously I'm not). Like John, I think the front of the unit with the head and ditchlights reflecting off the snow is the best part----but the darkness of the shot is appealing to me.
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...0&key=61759215

I thought this shot was so cool, I downloaded it as my screen display. Thanks!
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but I fear RP in general doesn't accept night shots unless they're grossy overexposed - sometimes even to the point of replicating daylight.

That is not overexposing.

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Yes, that's true! But why does it have to be so? This is another example of stifling photographic creativity by denying "other" visual interpretations on the site. Instead, contributors are hammered into conformity if they have any hope of having their work displayed. That's terribly wrong.
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That's not a valid analogy. I do believe strongly in a screened site, otherwise you're overwhelmed with poor photography. However, I think it should be more inclusive than exclusive. That's where RP is off the track, in my opinion. They have deluded themselves into thinking they're art critics, Dale Sanders, Jim Wrinn or Steve Barry---which they're not. If they stuck to the very basic technical issues and got away from the needless nit-picking for vague or undefined reasons, the image count would go way up, and there would be more imagery for us to view.

There's nothing "exclusive" about having one's photography on RP. As I've always said, it is (and should always be) a relatively high bar for acceptance. With a cheap digital camera, my next door neighbor (who isn't a railfan, I'm sure) could land a shot on Rail Pictures. It's not hard....and it shouldn't be hard. I have over 2100 shots on this site. A monkey could do as well (or probably better, based on my recent experiences....)

For sure, the total, absolute crap should be stopped at the door. But, if it's reasonably competent photography---let all of us see it, and we'll judge. A group of adults should be able to recognize good photography when they see it.

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