Old 04-01-2016, 10:52 PM   #1
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Ok. So if I ever get down there again to shoot this shot, how should I frame it so it is pleasing to the Screeners eye?

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Old 04-01-2016, 11:31 PM   #2
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I like it and a welcome break. I think it has a natural feel, ie if you are on that walkway at that place, it is what you would see. I know you want the blossoms in and they are, but not really forced. Of course, everything says DC which is good, I like photos which everyone can place, contain landmarks and hardly anything could do that more.

Rule of thirds- I was told on one of mine the rule of thirds only works on RP's if the train is exiting the frame, not entering, Gibb's rule of thirds????.

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I think the shot is better than a lot of shots that get into RP, and in that sense I think it should have been accepted. The blossoms are beautiful, and the general composition is pretty good. It screams D.C. in the spring. That said, there are some "frustrating" elements, mainly too much uninteresting foreground (the water and the fence), and the rather unattractive building that you see too much of through the beautiful blossoms. Not sure how much room you have on the original, but the first issue might be addressed by framing it higher. If I were going back to try it again I would take a step ladder and perhaps with a bit more elevation you could minimize the foreground, cover up some of the ugly building, and maybe get some additional sky if you have some nice puffy clouds. The fact it is such a nice image makes the little problems stand out. But the screeners are more comfortable with well lit wedgies and this kind of stuff seems to challenge their judgement.
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If I were going back to try it again I would take a step ladder and perhaps with a bit more elevation you could minimize the foreground,
yup, that railing isn't great. But a nice shot! In all my years here I still haven't made the time to get down there and get the shot. This year I did drive by the area with my daughter on Sunday morning, already by 9:15am or so too crowded and no parking to be had.
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Old 04-02-2016, 02:10 AM   #5
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If I were going back to try it again I would take a step ladder and perhaps with a bit more elevation you could minimize the foreground.
I was trying to blend it with the crowd not stand out and become the subject of "If you see something, say something"

I left the railing in because the water was fairly calm and offered a nice reflection of "Georges" monument. Should I go for a tighter crop and cut off the reflection? What are your thoughts?

I'd hate to have to do that for acceptance since what I submitted was was what I wanted to convey, but if it RP's way or the rejection bin I guess I must "conform or be cast-out."
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I like it as-is, and I think the reflection is what makes the shot stand out from others that I've seen in that location. It may be too late for a redo this year, and it's tough to tell if this can be done without losing the reflection, but maybe standing by the grassy area at the end of the railing with the cherry tree on the right side of the frame would position the train where the screeners would like it.
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I'd hate to have to do that for acceptance since what I submitted was was what I wanted to convey, but if it RP's way or the rejection bin I guess I must "conform or be cast-out."
Learn as much as you can from whatever sources, experiment, and so on, but in the end do what looks best to yourself.
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The railing is awkwardly cut off as is the sidewalk which is what the screener is likely getting at. Had you possibly included the majority of the sidewalk and railing it may have slipped in
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Tried another shot from the next day. Now the train is too far away.

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Is today still April 1st?
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That's a lot of uninteresting dead space, Carl. Crop significantly right and top. No need to keep the bit of marina on the right.
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That's a lot of uninteresting dead space, Carl. Crop significantly right and top. No need to keep the bit of marina on the right.
Show me what you are thinking. I did take more from the top and right and was hit with a comp/balance reject.
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Thanks J. I will try that tomorrow
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Go back and stand in the same exact spot as your original. However, this time go a little wider to include a bit more on the right to balance out the heaviness on the left. Also, if it means getting down slightly lower, make the railing coming out of the right corner instead of exiting the frame where it is now. Just make sure not to cut any of the railing off that is in the distance on the left.
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Go back and stand in the same exact spot as your original. However, this time go a little wider to include a bit more on the right to balance out the heaviness on the left. Also, if it means getting down slightly lower, make the railing coming out of the right corner instead of exiting the frame where it is now. Just make sure not to cut any of the railing off that is in the distance on the left.
Given how cherry blossoms work, Jim, "go back" means wait till next year!
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Given how cherry blossoms work, Jim, "go back" means wait till next year!
Hey, I've waited a year or two to redo a shot I didn't get right the first time. Sometimes patience pays off! And a year really isn't that long when you get older. Seems like just last week it was April of 2015.
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Seems like just last week it was April of 2015.
Seems like just last week it was April of 1985.
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